@grote Something tells me LineageOS is about to suddenly get 100x more popular....

Of course then they'll have to start more obsessively locking down bootloaders and probably even remove the unlock option in anything they can. We've begun an age where even the open devices are now going to soon be closed and locked down.

And yeah, it's past time for a real OS.

EDIT: Wow, amazing levels of hate and fear towards the idea of using something more open that gives the user control over their own devices just because it's not as easy as simply buying something and it's already there...

You, uh, might want to look a little deeper into why you feel that way. Seriously, I'm not kidding. Think about it.

@FifiSch @grote I don't really understand that. The instructions are so simple and detailed and the "new OS" is basically exactly the same thing right down to having the same basic startup configuration and etc. The only difference is the Google connections are optional and one can decide for themselves how far they want to go.

It's pretty much just tapping a few things, then copying and pasting two lines or so. Once it's booted you wouldn't tell it apart from stock other than its cleanliness. It's easier than installing Linux on a PC and that's actually a lot easier and less scary than people have been convinced.

I bet if people didn't let Google, Apple, and etc convince them that they are so scared of installing third party options we never would have reached this point.

@Razemix @FifiSch @grote Ah, sorry. I didn't realize I was being so technical with terms like "tap a few things" and "copy and paste a couple of lines."

It so easy caveman do it. Just do what other say.

Better?

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote First problem: The user needs to know what an OS even is and that they're using one.
Second problem: The user needs to realize that they can use a different OS.
Third problem: The user needs to know the exact model/codename of their phone, find a suitable OS, unlock bootloader, probably install adb and/or other tools (if there is no WebUSB option), etc.

Should I continue?

@Razemix @FifiSch @grote

The user needs to know what an OS even is and that they're using one.

No... Not really. "Install LineageOS" or whatever is all they need to know.

The user needs to realize that they can use a different OS.

That's the second part of the first problem repeated. Again when people say "just install LineageOS" they know they need to install a different thing.

Third problem

Oh we do agree on parts of that and that is a huge part of what I'm saying is NOT ok in this ecosystem. It's not to the extent that you say of course, but it still applies a lot.

I get it. You're terrified of something different and really really don't even want it to be a thing. But that doesn't mean it's ok to be 100% behind letting Google and Apple do this.

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote
> "Install LineageOS"
Oh, is that an app or something? Can i download it from the Play Store?

You're naive. I'm not saying it's okay for Google and Apple to do whatever they're doing. I'm just saying that the whole process to switch OS is hard and claiming otherwise isn't helping anybody. Also, the thing is, users shouldn't be forced to switch OS just to install an app they want. The same way they shouldn't be forced to self-host a whole-ass cloud stack just to keep their privacy (see https://neilzone.co.uk/2022/07/self-host-it-is-not-the-answer/). It simply isn't a viable solution for regular users. There should be much stricter regulations in place to prevent these kinds of things in the first place.