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fennesz12
lime!i mind when thereâs some weird-ass rationalisation for the creatorâs barely disguised fetish. when asked why 2B was styled that way, yoko taro said âi like looking at girlsâ. when asked why quiet was styled like that, hideo kojima said âwhen you find out the reason, you will be ashamed of your words and deedsâ only for the reason to be fucking nonsense.
just own it man, geez.
Ricky RigatoniLiking pretty women isnât a fetish
Wearing a bikini top in hot weather isnât exhibitionism.
look ricky, i know youâre reasonable. weâre not talking about the character in a vacuum, weâre talking about kojimas extreme defense of what would otherwise have been accepted as just standard fanservice, and the fact that the excuse was so flimsy. quiet doesnât fit into her setting, sure. that happens in a lot of japanese media. but kojima made such a big deal about it before release that she somehow fits in worse than if he had said nothing.
sp3ctr4lweâre not talking about the character in a vacuum, weâre talking about kojimas extreme defense of
Deflection / Framing Control
Thatâs what youâre talking about.
Youâre dissatisfied with the canon explanation for Quietâs exposure, you think Hideo made too big of a deal about it, that Hideo should have just said âyep Iâm doing fan-serviceâ.
Ricky is just stating that he finds conventionally physically attractive women physically attractive, that this is not a fetish, that wearing clothes that broadly fit the climate and Quietâs combat role is not exhibitionism.
You keep talking past him, and the original commenter, never acknowledging that you keep throwing out tangential exaggerations, based around Kojima, that donât apply to the people youâre talking to, the things they are saying.
Youâre talking, but youâre not listening.
wow, good analysis. genuinely, you managed to de-escalate any tension before it appeared. not sarcastic.
the reason iâm talking about framing is that thatâs what the thread is about. saying âi enjoy attractive ladies in gamesâ in this thread is implicitly in the context provided by the OPs image; the implicit sentence here is âpersonally i had no problem with quiet in particularâ. my original pushback was that context matters, and that the stated reason something is made needs to be taken into account. like, since kojimbo stated that there was a very good reason for her to act and dress like she does, the fact that the reason is bad makes the decision worse. thatâs a hole he has written himself into, itâs a very weird inclusion, and the fact he keeps defending the decision just makes it weirder.
i also like sexy women in my games, but iâm not the kind of person to just slap nude mods onto tomb raider or resident evil. there is a time and a place.
Sure.
Keep explaining why youâre saying what youâre saying.
Yep, your understanding of the implicit context is such.
Other people can have different implicit understandings of context.
And you still arenât listening, youâre rationalizing, explaining yourself.
I already explained what you are doing.
I understand.
okay, then explain the alternative interpretation of the context. explain to me what i should be picking up from these unqualified statements that i am not.
You described wearing basically a bikini, sheers, some tac rigs, boots, etcâŚ
As exhibitionism.
Thats a signifcant exaggeration / misunderstsnding of exhibitionism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhibitionism
Exhibitionism is basicslly flashing, intentionally showing off the bits that are in this image, not visible, specifically to an audience.
Exhibitionism is a nude bicycle parade.
Ehibitionism is flashing your nude body to a crowd of onlookers.
At least by the framework of the game world being a consistent universe unto itself, Quiet is not an exhibitionist: She is a sniper, who prefers to operate very far away from other people.
Sure, if you want to expand exhibitionism to include breaking the 4th wall, to âbeing viewed by the audience of gamersâ, then⌠ok⌠but⌠can you see how that creates a standard where any character that is depicted nude, is then an exhibitionist by way of existing in a form of media?
So its pretty innacurate to describe either Quiet, or gamers seeing Quiet, as an exhibitionist, unless she is actually doing an exhibitionism.
Being eye candy is not the same thing as exhibitionism.
Telling someone they are either into viewing exhibitionists, or are themselves an exhibitionist⌠for seeing a scantily clad character⌠thats not correct, just factually, unless you want to bend the meaning of exhibitionism to the point that it basicslly breaks.
so you completely misunderstood my meaning. thatâs fine, i should have expressed myself better.
i am not describing the character as an exhibitionist, nor am i saying that the people who enjoy the character are into that. iâm saying that the creator of the character intentionally designed her according to his tastes, context be damned. and he designed her to be a character that enjoys showing of her body, or at least acts like it.
people are not into a specific thing just because they like something that incorporates that thing. however if you intentionally put that thing into your work, especially when it clashes with the rest of it, you definitely are into that thing.
also you linked a wikipedia article about a psychologic disorder, not about the fetish. they are two different things, one way more serious than the other.