Stefan BohacekMar 20

@_elena

I've been feeling this way myself. A lot of what ATProto does well can be implemented in the fediverse, from what I've been reading, there's just not enough funding to get it done fast enough.

@benroyce @mat

Show threadStefan BohacekMar 20

@_elena

And I really believe that Bluesky got ahead because it's been essentially a centralized Twitter 2.0, only now slowly starting to open up, and that's already creating UX problems people have been complaining about with Mastodon/fediverse.

Here's a random post: https://witchsky.app/profile/did:plc:rtf3bjc3w2yn4syxtm4r7jt2/post/3mfrp6tovy22g

Try replying from https://bsky.app. The old "put the URL in the search box" trick doesn't work here.

And developers are disagreeing over "log in with Bluesky" vs "with ATProto" vs "Atmosphere", because the first one erases the diversity of the network, while the more accurate labels are "too confusing for normies".

Plus, "pick a PDS and an AppView and an app" sounds a lot more daunting than "pick a server".

@benroyce @mat

Ronen Tamari (@ronentk.me)

Can everyone building on atproto please answer this question? 😇 ↘️ quoting Pedro Vezza (@pedro.vza.net): Why did you decide to bet on atproto over Mastodon or similar?

Witchsky
Show threadBen Ramsey
@stefan @_elena @benroyce @mat I had thought it was started inside Twitter as a kind of skunkworks project intended to be Twitter 2.0, before Musk’s acquisition. The goal, from what I understood, was to give companies more control.
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Show threadStefan BohacekMar 20

@ramsey Yes, Bluesky originated at Twitter, was spun out as its own startup, with Dorsey leaving for Nostr.

One big goal they talked about publicly was the so-called "credible exit", as in, you, the user, should be able to take your data and move it elsewhere. I think PDSs handle this pretty well, better than migrating your account on, say, Mastodon, where you retain your followers, but lose your posting history.

The PDS has all your data.

But the downside is that the rest of the ATProto task is harder to host yourself, particularly the AppView.

So it's a trade-off. But once we have https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-data-portability/lola implemented, that won't be a problem!

@_elena @benroyce @mat

LOLA Portability for ActivityPub (0.2)