people on reddit are doing a whole lot of yapping about age verification in Linux

I would generally agree that the whole approach of these laws is total dogshit and clearly a wedge issue to enable stricter surveillance laws in the future

at the same time though, the actual implementation and potentially having a portal which exposes the users age bracket seems totally reasonable as a way to implement parental controls... I'm also not totally against holding service providers to higher standards for data processing when it comes to minors, and hey if they're doing that why shouldn't adults get the same treatment?

what im totally miffed about though is why the fuck would you get mad at systemd for adding a birthDate field to userdb, what would you have them do? Would you rather every desktop environment had its own way to store this data??

An XDG portal for this also means you can *trivially* write a stub that always identifies you as an adult or even lets you pick per-app (heck maybe per website! that might be the new cursed way of avoiding trackers under late stage capitalism)

and yeah it sure would be shit if we get real-id laws in a few years, but systemd or XDG standing on "principle" and refusing to implement this API is absolutely not going to lead to better outcomes for anyone. The last thing we want is for users in certain regions to wind up relying on implementations maintained by distros or random individuals, if we need to have this crap the least we could ask is that it's maintained by established and trusted people in the open source community!

@cas I would ask why providers should make it easier to implement parental controls, given what those are so often used to do (namely, horrifying shit?)

@freya @cas ****THIS***

“Is it really so bad that oven makers enlarge their ovens to 40 pounds? There ARE other uses beyond cooking children, after all.”

Don’t look for Modest Proposals of tech shifts that enable Swift shifts into being abused. ‘Why not add the DOB field’ plus ‘might as well use it’ is a dystopic result from an innocent pair.

@freya @cas fuck, the worst part of getting old is encountering Adults that are passionate about internet ethics but are too young for Risks and cypherpunk listserv/ digests to have infused their thinking.

(Edited to add https://smolhaj.social/@jane, whose comments hint they really really need a deep dive into cultures that discuss WhatMightGoWrong. )

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smolhaj.social

@InkomTech ok i'll try to clarify, since i don't think your quite understand my position....

THESIS: I am fundamentally ideologically opposed to legislating age verification into operating systems, for all the obvious fucked up dystopian outcomes that inevitably leads to. Maybe I should have put that in all caps or something because people really seem to want to misrepresent my position.

ANTITHESIS: Should age verification legislation get passed, we should not throw our distro maintainers and middleware implementers under the bus by getting mad at them for following the law (i mean unless they come out and say they actually think the legislation is good, in that case fuck em).

SYNTHESIS: we can oppose age verification laws without going after implementers for trying to avoid exposing themselves to fines. it's a rock and a hard place for distro devs and im kinda shocked that people seem to unwilling to acknowledge that reality.

Thanks for the condescending comments (and extremely weird call out of Jane??), i hope your irc buddies got a kick out of it(???)

i predict you either don't respond or hit me with an ad hominem, prove me wrong!