kopper Mar 20
if the goal of "free software" is to give the user control over how the software behaves then is minecraft[1] more free than, say, gcc[2]? thread locked by moderators after reaching 100 pages of intense debate

[1]: where an end-user can usually install >100 mods with a lot changing the game in nontrivial ways reasonably trivially without major conflicts
[2]: where combining multiple features from different forks requires lengthy conflict resolution usually dependent on deep knowledge of the systems being modified
Show threadkopper Mar 20
what im trying to say is github.com/FabricMC/Mixin & github.com/LlamaLad7/MixinExtras rock and we need clones of them for more languages and environments
GitHub - FabricMC/Mixin: Mixin is a trait/mixin framework for Java using ASM

Mixin is a trait/mixin framework for Java using ASM - FabricMC/Mixin

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Show threadhttps://j0.lolMar 20
@kopper i feel like jvm being jvm makes this stuff a lot easier than like c
Show threadsarah tonin Mar 20

@j0 @kopper yea, the jvm has an idea of what a local variable is, and only inlined stuff ever if constants (depends on compiler / obfuscater settings too).

something similar for native is, while not impossible, going to be much harder and much less powerful (again, jvm generally has only one form for certain things, native has as many as codegens * their versions

even just inject at head is going to be difficult because where does function prepare end and body begin ?

Show threadWolf480pl

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you could compile with LTO, which leaves the compiler's IR inside the object files

and then do the hooking at link time, before LTO and codegen

you'd still be bound to one compiler tho
@j0 @kopper

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