Mastodawn

Okay so, I'm perplexed: is it really just an EU thing to have state issued ID cards that you get for free by just being a citizen and then you use those for ID with like banks or when voting or whatever?

Wikipedia page on Romanian ID cards for anyone interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_identity_card

Romanian identity card - Wikipedia

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@reiddragon the new ID cards here look fairly similar

@gettie I think they're EU-standardized; just looked up Italian IDs as well and they look very similar as well

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@reiddragon i still have my laminated paper id

@gettie I have my old ID still as well, but with a corner cut off

@reiddragon @gettie yes, they are.

ID-0 format!
Some contactless, some with Cryptographic Chipcards in them!

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@[email protected] you don't actually get them for free. - At least not in #Germany. - And I think they should be free!

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@reiddragon you don't actually get them for free.

At least not in #Germany.
- And I think they should be free!

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@kkarhan @reiddragon yeah, that's actually true, they aren't free. i think the cost to get an ID issued is a few euros or so, although i don't know exactly.

@gettie @kkarhan eh? they're free here, unless you want to get the chip-less IDs that are only valid within Romania which cost like 5 ron (about a euro)

@reiddragon @gettie still, I think people should have a right to free National ID cards and Passports!

@gettie @kkarhan actually, to clarify because I forgot about this earlier: you do have to pay but only if you renew it ahead of schedule; if you renew it on schedule (at 18, 25, 35 etc) it's free

@gettie @reiddragon in.Germany it's more like €28...

@kkarhan @gettie dafuq?

@reiddragon @gettie yes, and the de-facto implied mandate to have them is just inexcuseable on top of it!

@reiddragon Israel is the same. In general the ID card isn't free, but it is cheap and universally available, and is indeed used for voter ID among other things.

BenAveling 2d ago

@reiddragon citizen, or resident…

@BenAveling I think the laws vary slightly from country to country on residents

BenAveling 2d ago

Everything seems to vary slightly from country to country.
And yes, as other people have noted, it's not necessarily free.
But yes, you do get one and you do use it from time to time.
Irony is, the card says: not to be used as ID, and then everyone including the government uses it as ID.
@reiddragon

@BenAveling > And yes, as other people have noted, it's not necessarily free.

Well, my only experience is with Romanian ID cards and those are free if you renew them on schedule (you pay a small fee only if you have a new one issued before the old one expired because you lost it or it was destroyed or w/e)

> Irony is, the card says: not to be used as ID, and then everyone including the government uses it as ID.

Which cards are you talking about here? Resident cards?

BenAveling 2d ago

Yup, resident card. Specifically, in my case, Irish.
It says on the front "This IRP is not an identity card". But it totally gets used as an identity card. And, I guess, technically, the card itself is free. But the residency itself is not free and needs to be renewed regularly.
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