How Europe’s defence against Putin could look without the US

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How Europe’s defence against Putin could look without the US - Lemmy.World

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This newspaper shares ownership with the Daily Mail, and is parroting Russian-aligned talking points, cites “some experts” and so on.

I could go point by point over how it enlarges problems, glosses over stuff when it’s inconvenient, but I’m just tired of it.

Russia could pull an Iran and kill anfew dozen to a few hundred Europeans, and we’d kill Putin and his extended family and party members on like day 2.

We spent 0.5% of our GDP to pay one of their former allies to fight them to exhaustion. Yes, they have replaced their one million troops and several thousand armoured vehicles by drafing the second million that they wouldn’t before and bringing back relics to life. We can spend another half a percent, can they afford another million people?

Big “I don’t care about gas prices, I’m still fueling my car for 20” energy. It works until someone asks how much fuel you’re getting for it and how often do you have to go.

Money spent doesn’t directly translate to capability. Capability doesn’t directly translate to willingness to use it. Russia can spend a fraction and still end up with more weapons and soldiers, resulting in a bigger effective military.

Russia still has nuclear weapons and threatening to use has lead to European leaders hesitating in supporting Ukraine.

Killing Putin and his family isn’t that easy. First you need to know where he is. European intelligence isn’t that great without American support. Remember how lots of Europeans doubted Russia‘s planned invasion right up until it happened. Russia also still has large bunkers and so on left over from the Cold War, where Putin could hide out indefinitely.

Europe doesn’t have unity either. Coordinating will take time and compromises might result in a more cautious reaction to Russian aggression.

Let’s look at a scenario in 2030. Germany has an AfD government and France is run by Front National, in the UK it’s Farage. Russia invades a Baltic country over a fabricated pretext. Poland and Finland react quickly, the Scandinavians fly some air strikes. Germany, UK, France, Hungary, Austria, condemn what’s happening talk about deescalation, and don’t send any military support, maybe even do an arms embargo on the Nordics and Poland in the name of peace. Italy, Spain, and the smaller countries don’t want to risk picking the wrong side and only lament. After a few weeks of righting Russia captures the Baltics and declares a desire for peace and negotiations. Only Poland keeps on fighting Russia by invading Kaliningrad. Poland is sanctioned by the UN and only arms smuggled from Ukraine keep them going. Russia ethnically cleanses the Baltics. Two weeks later Poland ethnically cleanses Kaliningrad of all Russians. Poland and Russia keep fighting a protracted war of attrition for years.

Your scenario fails at the point that not declaring war on Russia if they invade a member state goes against the very basic agreements of the EU, so it would collapse the EU and all the member state economies.

Even AfD has only two choices if Russia invades Poland, sending the Bundeswehr or total economic collapse.

Failing a complete overhaul of the EU to be lesser, needing complete unanimity, the EU is a tight military alliance, tighter than NATO.

Russia had a PPP advantage, and probably still does, but it’s reduced a lot due to inflation caused by the war and the sanctions.