Shadow-banned sitewide on my 8 year old Reddit, gaslit & entire history removed.
Shadow-banned sitewide on my 8 year old Reddit, gaslit & entire history removed.
Anyway, know there is a lot of hate for conservative/ Christian views around here, so any TIPS on where to find a ‘safe space’ to be me & express my self, and how to limit/block toxicity would be appreciated.
People don’t care about religion here like they do (did?) on Reddit. Some dweebs might get worked up, but it’s far more chill here.
People here are often wary of conservatism though because it’s an inherently reactionary ideology that seeks power by attacking targeted populations; that’s what upsets people, and the fediverse is full of those who have been targeted by such campaigns.
Almost nobody will care that you’re Christian, but nearly everyone will be upset if you antagonize trans people. If your faith is about personal improvement, that’s chill. If it’s about controlling people whose lifestyle you hate, then this isn’t the place.
I’d say it’s far more about the conservative descriptor than the Christian one.
Personally, I’d much rather have a Christian friend who aligned with my values of celebrating diversity, defending personal liberty, and making the economy work for everyone instead of a select few over an atheist who constantly cries about “wokeness” and “cancel culture.”
People who identify as conservative Christians are frequently white nationalists who are more concerned with which genitals are in what bathroom or kicking brown people out of the country than preventing people from freezing to death on the street. If that’s not you, wonderful; but at least in the US you are indeed a rare breed.
I’m curious: what value does conservatism as a concept hold for you?
I look at conservatism as a concept that preserves the experiments that worked, and a necessary counterbalance to progressivism. Obviously, the ideal is a balance between them.
As an example, I think the separation of genders in such things as changing rooms, sports, & jails are all valuable traditions learn by hard lessons of those you come before us, and that we throw those out at are own peril. Basically conservatism = traditionalism in my mind. Who are we to be so bold as to think we are smarter than those you came before us? Or that the ‘old rules no longer apply to our lives’?
I know you didn’t come here for a debate, so I’ll keep my response as brief as possible.
You ask who we are to say that the “old rules no longer apply to our lives?” We’re the ones who have to live under the rules; why should we be beholden to the desires of a bunch of dead guys?
The women who fought for their right to vote, the strikers who brought us weekends and paid time off, the slaves who escaped their bondage, and the people who were driven out of their homelands by religious persecution all decided that the old rules were oppressive and in service of an elite who didn’t have their best interest at heart.
Take this passage from Mark 2 for example:
One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”
He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”
Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
It illustrates the point that the rules are here for us, and that we should really think about the implications of what we are restricting.
The Republican brand of Christianity seems to be the opposite of everything that Jesus preached. From Matthew 25:
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
The GOP has been cutting food aid (EBT) to desperate families, medical services to the poor and elderly (Medicare & Medicaid), splitting up families of people who came here to seek asylum (ICE), starting unjustified wars (Iraq & Iran), demanding schools give Christians special treatment (display religious texts, fund private Christian schools with public school money), and funnelling money to the very richest people in society for fifty years (the US has the highest wealth inequality of any country in the developed world)… all wearing the Christian religion as their mantle. That’s why people hear “Christian Conservative” and think about all of this reactionary nonsense. The Christian Nationalist movement is about power, not tradition. Rather than having a pluralistic society, the Christian Nationalist thinks that they should get the sole right to decide how things are done.
Take the bathrooms that you mentioned: why is this a thing that people want the government involved in? Why should the government be able to tell you who can use the bathroom in your business? Shouldn’t that be up to the business owner? Isn’t that the “conservative” solution?
The rules are here to serve us; therefore, there’s no better set of people to determine what those rules should be. Conservatism is about maintenance of the status quo, and most people in the country are unhappy with the status quo. Isn’t that a good enough reason to change it, and to move away from an elite who doesn’t have our best interests at heart?
I get the sentiment, you make many correct points that I can not disagree with! There are two sides to every coin, and they must work to balance us. Your right that we must move forward in trust, doing away with Sins of the past and being reborn.
If you would read lemmy.today/post/49597645/23011160
About The GOP paragraph: Although I know it’s a largely corrupted party, I agree that the federal government should not be into health-care, education or charity (in our own lands). As far as ICE, we need a border & to punish these who break our laws to maintain our nation, you can say our current policies are bad. But, I feel ICE guys are getting a lot of hate for doing what politicians we the people elected have hired them to do. I know our the USA Fascist & Socialism system is corrupt, I pray we start seeking first the kingdom of God, rather than Money!
Take the bathrooms that you mentioned: why is this a thing that people want the government involved in? Why should the government be able to tell you who can use the bathroom in your business? Shouldn’t that be up to the business owner? Isn’t that the “conservative” solution?
I’m not an Anarchist, or a libertarian, so no, and that’s not clearly not the “conservative” solution. If you read my above linked comment, you can understand why I think government must regulate morality. I also think it’s the duty of the strong (men) to protect the weak (women/children), and part of what makes a gentleman vs a beast.
The rules are here to serve us; therefore, there’s no better set of people to determine what those rules should be. Conservatism is about maintenance of the status quo, and most people in the country are unhappy with the status quo. Isn’t that a good enough reason to change it, and to move away from an elite who doesn’t have our best interests at heart?
Again, I basically have to agree. Maybe “Christian nationalist” is a better fitting term to encapsulate my views! Anyway, I don’t find wearing around such metaphorical badges helpful. Free to address & insult me as you will :)
People seem to be using the Downvote as an “I disagree” button, which is a basic misapplication IMO reddit.com/…/reminder_that_the_downvote_button_is…
People seem to be using the Downvote as an “I disagree” button, which is a basic misapplication IMO
You do understand this isn’t reddit, right…?
I look at conservatism as a concept that preserves the experiments that worked
Basically conservatism = traditionalism in my mind.
That’s a progressive perspective on conservatism, and expressing it as such places you further Left than most Democrats in office.
America’s self-described “Conservatives” are mostly christian nationalists who don’t seek to conserve key American traditions like multiculturalism, but rather to impose their moral ideals on those who they see as “degenerates” in society and would gladly cut off their noses if it would spite the faces of those they see as “other”.
This is obvious when you consider that “Conservatives” are more offended that trans people like myself might use a public restroom than the fact that ICE is running concentration camps and separating families from their children.
Actually Conservative Christians are anti-Capitalists that care most about serving the needy and destitute and look down on the wealthy for their lack of charity. The self-proclaimed christians who voted a pedophile into office do not seek to conserve tradition, merely to preserve their own social status.
Seems people have a different idea on the meaning of the terms then I do. It’s interesting, because, by definition, I am inspiring Christian & and nationalist. And yes, I think the government must regulate morality, aka the “impose their moral ideals on those who they see as “degenerates” in society” part. Why not make rape, incest, theft, murder, domestic abuse, human sacrifices, etc, legal? Because that immoral & would degrade society!
Actually Conservative Christians are anti-Capitalists that care most about serving the needy and destitute and look down on the wealthy for their lack of charity.
I’m inspiring to this ideal more, but, don’t see capitalism of inherently evil, like a gun or a drug.
This is obvious when you consider that “Conservatives” are more offended that trans people like myself might use a public restroom than the fact that ICE is running concentration camps and separating families from their children.
I believe you not making a good faith statement there, and instead trying to straw man the perspective you disagree with because your emotional about this and stereotyping people is the easy way out of self reflection. Why the statement is more or less true, I think your heart posture is one of anger, rather than empathy. (I know that’s a very judgy statement, and it could be wrong.)
I’m inspiring to this ideal more, but, don’t see capitalism of inherently evil, like a gun or a drug.
capitalism isnt a neutral tool though, it’s a system of social relations that jesus explicitly condemned
I am inspiring Christian & and nationalist.
walking contradiction; nationalism is idolatry. Whatever religion you follow is not christianity.
This is obvious when you consider that “Conservatives” are more offended that trans people like myself might use a public restroom than the fact that ICE is running concentration camps and separating families from their children.
I believe you not making a good faith statement there, and instead trying to straw man the perspective you disagree with because your emotional about this and stereotyping people is the easy way out of self reflection. Why the statement is more or less true, I think your heart posture is one of anger, rather than empathy. (I know that’s a very judgy statement, and it could be wrong.)
Literal.
Concentration.
Camps.
For children.
Don’t talk to me about my heart, why isn’t yours bleeding? How dare you call yourself a Christian?