lumpenproletariathumans are not the virus
FistingEnthusiastThis is so condescending
It’s also bullshit. There are plenty of examples of indigenous people destroying ecosystems
It’s humans.
All humans.
Not here to argue, but I would like those examples. That’s not something that comes up often.
Samskara
I’m not an expert on this, but I have a theory that the English are the dark souls style try hards of history.
English has a cold and dreary environment that’s relatively hostile prior to literally terraforming it, every single edible plant in the isles comes from somewhere else, there are centuries worth of plagues that came out of the squalid living conditions, it’s history is a revolving door of groups coming in to kill and pillage, and don’t even get me started on the wolves.
It’s basically centuries of playing on maximum hard mode. Then when you look at the people they colonized, India and the Americas were halcyonic in comparison. We’re finding out that all the “wasted land” the colonials knocked over for fields in the US were massive, curated foraging gardens that could feed thousands for generations. They didn’t realize they were knocking over the native equivalent to a free grocery store because they only ever used tree for murdering each other.
Now everyone is miserable because we let the guy that only plays regionally ranked mortal combat decide the rules we all have to play by when literally everyone else in the building wants to play animal crossing.
Miles O'BrienThis is incredibly dismissive of not only native cultures that wiped themselves out (or at least wiped out large animal species) but also of the other European and Asian cultures that had their own imperialist expansion, some nearly to the same degree as the English.
Terrible take on many levels, this assumes those indigenous populations would never have undergone their own industrial revolutions.
For reasons ranging from ‘noble savage’ to racist implications that they couldn’t if they tried.
This is such a gross misreading of the post lol
It literally says “Indigenous people have shown” and not something about them having some innate characteristics that result in their living in balance with the earth. It should be obvious that their idologiy and culture is meant by the post, as it is exactly that what other can actually learn from many indigenous peoples and it is alao exactly what colonialism is actively destroying
Absolutely not, without colonialism and given enough time Indigenous peoples will always industrialise to the greatest extent possible given the circumstances.
Industrialisation is in direct opposition to this idealised ‘harmonious’ living with the land.
You’re falling afoul of the noble savage fallacy in assuming that these people would not have changed their culture over time, given enough time, and have industrialised themselves.
You really like to misunderstand the point , dont you? Like of course ideology and culture can change, that was my whole point…
Just because I support the statement “Indigenous people have shown that is possible to live in balance with nature”, I dont think this is / was true for every group of indigenous people and that it would stay always like that. Its litetally just a statement that show cases an example of a way of living that humans can have a different role in nature, one that actually strives to keep the balance on earth.
And me believeing that has nothing to do with the idea of the noble savage, its just an assesment of a way of living that can be studied and maybe even emulated.
duncan_bayneThis is the “noble savage myth” dressed up for modern times as the “ecologically noble savage myth”.
Colonialism is bad, yes.
But indigenous people didn’t “live in balance with nature”. Consider e.g. the massive ecological changes wrought by indigenous Australians, Easter Island, NZ Maori, etc. Megafauna extinction, massive deforestation, etc.
Human beings are human beings, regardless of their level of technological progress.
It’s just racism someone dressed up real pretty so they can pat themselves on the back for how enlightened they are.