Maybe I'm just seeing things, but it seems like a lot of rust hate has subsided, coincidentally ever since claude code became usable? Was it really driven that much by salt and bruised egos?

#rustlang #llm

@dvshkn Maybe.

If you use LLM with #Rust it gives you higher confidence about your code being right. And agents iterate over code that doesn't build.

@michalfita @dvshkn hard disagree on this. LLMs destroy my trust in code being right.
@natecox @dvshkn Distrust to LLMs code in general in something different than attempt to use LLM and getting code that builds.
@michalfita @dvshkn code that builds isn't tantamount to trustworthy code.
@natecox @dvshkn Rust's rule is "if it compiles it works"... certainly it may work it's own way. But segfaulting code in C++ from LLMs is kinda norm.

@dvshkn from only my own personal experience/anecdote: it was never really possible to search for "best way to (x) in rust?" because stack overflow had already died. i don't even use the code tools (i like coding), but the bots have been a good search resource. a functioning stack overflow (equivalent) would also have worked!

attached is an example that got me over a speed bump that would have otherwise left me frustrated for a few hours, but instead made me go "oh rust is pretty cool here"

@robey I think the way you use LLMs with rust is close to my preferred way, too. I'm not trying to thumb my nose at people that need some assistance. Rust didn't really start clicking with me until my fourth attempt give or take.

In the discourse I might have misread a lot of low effort criticism ("rust is woke" etc) as ideological, when some of it might have simply been motivated by how challenging the language can be.

@dvshkn huh! i never read any of that, but i don't dip into the Discourse much... i do think it's a very complex language (on the level of c++) and think there are a lot of valid criticisms of it around that topic.