Danielle Foré4d ago

“Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach.

“Complying in advance” is not when you follow laws that have passed and have clearly defined penalties

Learn what phrases mean, maybe

Show threadDanielle Foré4d ago

Denying trans kids healthcare or refusing to update passports with correct gender markers because of an unenforceable executive order: complying in advance

IDing customers in a bar because serving alcohol to a minor is illegal and you will get your liquor license revoked and have to shut down your bar: not fucking complying in advance dipshit. It’s the law. I can’t do shit about this. Get mad at your representatives. I have to follow the fucking law to do business. Jesus Christ

Show threadDanielle Foré4d ago
If the worst thing that’s happened to your rights in the last few years is you might have to type the number 18 into a text box you need to touch some fucking grass. Take that energy and go to a protest. Write your reps. Stop voting for Trump. Don’t vote for Gavin Newsom. Delete meta’s apps. But constantly harassing open source maintainers like we have some kind of power is wild. I am a low income marginalized woman who is just trying to survive right now and I have much larger rights issues
Show threadDanielle Foré4d ago
When you tell me to just not implement age declaration, do you understand you’re asking me to risk thousands of dollars in fines? Which means realistically the only way for me to not follow the law is to close my business and stop making elementary OS. Do you think it makes sense for me to decide to have no income right now in the middle of massive tech layoffs in a purely symbolic act of protest? Do you really fully understand this is what you’re asking of me?
Show threadAlice 4d ago
@danirabbit also like if it's just entering a birth date - who the fuck cares

the problematic part is not this, it's actual verification, and if you don't have it, then what's the problem
Show threadDanielle Foré4d ago
@alice exactly. Like I’m not going to die on this particularly hill. If something actually harmful was happening it would be a different calculus. But this is so ridiculous to be like whelp better self destruct over it
Show threadEva4d ago

@danirabbit i definitely understand the perspective of following the laws passed as written lest facing literal ruin. Personally I read the outrage as an extreme fear of slow boiling. While right now it may just be entering a fake 18 in a text box. There is a fear of continued extrapolation (that to be fair hasn't actually happened yet). That the next step "Isn't that bad" and so on. Many see it as, one step down that path is one too many. Give a facist a cookie kind of thinking.

I understand this too and... im so conflicted. I agree we shouldn't give an inch on some things. But when you threaten good people trying to do the right thing and who are otherwise absolute allies... the calculation is never simple. Everyone is scared and hurting... im sorry FOSS creators like you are targeted like this... and im sorry we, those without, are all being taken advantage of by those "with".

@alice

Show threadAlice 4d ago
@smolbrain @danirabbit i mean there's also nuance here

like I'm gonna support things like ageless linux testing laws, but also just putting a date picker doesn't hurt anybody and is a pragmatic decision - and pretty much the only realistic one here when you don't have resources to test laws
Show threadAlice 4d ago
@danirabbit @smolbrain it's similar thing to when people are accused of having to use llms at work

should they try to reduce harm and keep it out of actual projects and waste it on internal shit? absolutely

should they quit their jobs in protest? uhh i mean if somebody can do that and survive then that's quite a privileged position
Show threadJohn Regan

@alice @danirabbit @smolbrain

My core belief is this is a first-amendment issue. But in order to get that affirmed by a court - it seems like you need to have your rights infringed first.

With the law not being in effect yet, not sure what standing anybody has to claim damage.

And handling all of that is so expensive. No single person can afford to fix this. I think that's by design.

Fuckin' sucks.

Mar 19 at 8:55pmTusky