Torsten GroteMar 19

Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

https://goo.gle/advance-flow

Show threadAdam HonseMar 19
@grote 24 hours of not owning my phone is evil. This is stupid. I'm fine with everything but the pointless 24 hour wait and the biometric requirement. Give us your personally identifiable information and wait in phone purgatory for 24 hours to actually be able to own your device? Ridiculous.
Show threaditsFridayMar 19
@CalcProgrammer1 @grote The 24h waiting sounds the most reasonable part to me...
Show threadAdam Honse
@itsFriday @grote How so? It's the one that's getting in your way the most. Want to use this app today? Screw you. Why do we cater to idiots getting scammed more than letting people own the devices we bought with our own money?
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Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemMar 19

@CalcProgrammer1 @itsFriday @grote its wrong to assume this is about stopping scams or will do anything to stop scammers-

scammers will.. simply .. just ask you to enter your details into a web application, instead of a 'native' app, and nothing changes

the purpose is control, the purpose is survailence, the purpose is to deny certain people the 'privledge' of making android apps, the purpose is to send armed forces to your house to socially/actually murder you if you make an app they dont approve of

the purpose is not to 'stop scammers' :)

Show threaditsFridayMar 19
@Li @CalcProgrammer1 @grote Yes, that's why I think the 24h are the only reasonable steps.
Show threaditsFridayMar 19
@Li @CalcProgrammer1 @grote It could be skipped on the very first startup with a question: "Would you like to do some settings for advanced user? Please only click 'yes' if you informed yourselve extensive beforehand."
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemMar 19
@itsFriday @CalcProgrammer1 @grote that implies that "installing an application" and not requiring a license from the state + google to do so .. is a "feature for advanced users" which it isnt.
Show threaditsFridayMar 19
@Li @CalcProgrammer1 @grote True. I see "advanced user" as just some one knowing a bit more as the average user. Maybe there is a better term.
Show threaditsFridayMar 19
@CalcProgrammer1 @grote For the scamer scenario, 1 day of patience I see as a workimg precaution. But why do I need to go through hidden steps to get there? Why is there not a question at the very first startup "Would you like to add F-Droid, Aurora, ... and/or the option to install any apk on your phone? Tick the ones you like and it is installed automatically."
Show threadRay McCarthyMar 19
@CalcProgrammer1 @itsFriday @grote
And it's not even about malware. Plenty in the Playstore. It's about Google deciding they are in control of your phone. You only rented it.
Show threaditsFridayMar 19
@raymaccarthy @CalcProgrammer1 @grote Yes. That is why I think the 24h is the only reasonable part.