since I see a lot of gloom re Astral x OpenAI:

⁃ Even if Astral actively (malice) or passively (neglect) ruins uv, Python packaging is 1000x better today than 2 yrs ago.
⁃ Ruff is nice but only nice to have—ty is barely usable. We'll be fine if they vanish today.
⁃ Channelling Buddhism: it’s OK when things change or go away! Expecting things to last forever is an unnecessary source of suffering. But, worst case is that we get the community-maintained pkg mgr you always wanted!

Chill, y’all 🧘

i guess i've seen too many things come and go to get worked up about things like this. It was inevitable that something like this happens since they took VC money and since they're on the Codex team that needs good tools, it doesn't look like they plan to ourincrediblejourney us so it could be much worse.
@hynek we definitely don't plan to ourincrediblejourney you
@hynek Getting money out of this AI ... thingy into the hands of people who did good work for python: yay for them!

@jankatins Yeah they were the heroes who tricked OpenAI into paying for a great package manager ;)

(And they also did a lot great work in the standards area.)

@jankatins @hynek Hey, that was my reaction too. Get that bag!
@hynek thank you Hynek, that's a nice message. Reading these news I unexpectedly felt quite bad. I guess it's because it feels like one more "good" company/project being bought by a tech giant, for purposes I don't especially value. The Buddhist perspective helps a bit 🙏
@hynek I was blissfully unaware just running my uv sync as I always do. Now Im aware, but kind of indifferent, I got by with pip, setuptools and basic venv for years, muscle memory is still there
@hynek holup, can you expand on the ty being unusable take?
- a typing noob who's just switched his workflow to ty
@veckothegecko It’s just a young project in a complex problem space. Nothing particular.