Valnao4d ago

YSK that Joseph Stalin created the Great Terror. He started killing people randomly including artists, generals, doctors, scientists, government officials. Everyone was terrified.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/57002615

YSK that Joseph Stalin created the Great Terror. He started killing people randomly including artists, generals, doctors, scientists, government officials. Everyone was terrified. - sh.itjust.works

Matvei Bronstein: Theorical physicist. Pioneer of quantum gravity. Arrested, accused of fictional “terroristic” activity and shot in 1938 Lev Shubnikov: Experimental physicist. Accused on false charges. Executed Adrian Piotrovsky: Russian dramaturge. Accused on false charges of treason. Executed. Nikolai Bukharin: Leader of the Communist revolution. Member of the Politburo. Falsely accused of treason. Executed. General Alexander Egorov: Marshal of the Soviet Union. Commander of the Red Army Southern Front. Member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. Arrested, accused on false charges, executed. General Mikhail Tukhachevsky Supreme Marshal of the Soviet Union. Nicknamed the Red Napoleon. Arrested, accused on fake charges. Executed. Grigory Zinoviev: Chairman of the Communist International Movement. Member of the Soviet Politburo. Accused of treason and executed. Even the secret police themselves were not safe: Genrikh Yagoda : Right-hand of Joseph Stalin. Head of the NKD Secret Police. He spied on everyone in Russia and jailed thousands of innocents. Yagoda was arrested and executed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda] Nikolai Yezhov : Appointed head of the NKD Secret Police after the death of Yagoda. Arrested on fake charges, executed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Yezhov [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Yezhov] Everybody was absolutely terrified during this period. At least 600 000 people were killed and over one million people were deported to Gulags in Siberia.

Show threadGork4d ago
Do people actually defend Stalin still?
Show threadAtomic4d ago

Not necssesarily defend, but they shift blame away from Stalin. Essentially, “He was bad, but not THAT bad, that’s just western propaganda”

You’ll see commonly that .ml excuses the famines (yes, plural) created by Stalin by shifting the blame towards environmental factors like “oh but there was a bit of a drought” or “they actually did it all themselves by burning their grain”, “it was to stop the Nazis from siezing the grain themselves”, the list of excuses goes on.

Show threadJohn3d ago

Essentially, “He was bad, but not THAT bad, that’s just western propaganda”

www.cia.gov/…/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf

“Even in Stalin’s time, there was collective leadership. The Western idea of a dictator within the communist setup is exaggerated.”.

“tankies” though, amirite?

the list of excuses goes on.

A much more convenient excuse is that the USA is telling the truth about USSR while simultaneously executing millions of communists in South America, Africa, and Asia and lying about pretty much everything regarding anti-capitalism over the past century.

Show threadAtomic

LMAO. How to summon the .ml warrior with this one simple step. Thank you for proving my point.

The US is not the only source of information regarding USSR, you’re acting like we in Europe don’t know what happened right next to us.

Plenty of us millenials are old enough to have spoken to our late great grandparents. Who saw what happened with their own eyes. Or did you forget that one little detail? It’s not very convenient for you is it. That we’ve actually still have accounts of those who witnessed and experienced it first hand.

Fuck the USSR, fuck the apologists, fuck Russia, and fuck the US.

Mar 19 at 4:00pmWeb
Show threadFerrous3d ago

A 2013 Gallup survey showed that 66% of Armenians thought the dissolution of the USSR was harmful

In a 2016 survey, 69% of Azerbaijanis believed life was better under the USSR.

In a 2016 survey, it increased to 53% of Belarusians saying life was better under the USSR

Another Pew survey, also in 2017, showed that 43% of Georgians thought the dissolution was a good thing, compared to 42% who thought it was a bad thing.

In a 2016 survey, around 60% of Kazakhs above the age of 35 believed life was better under the USSR.

A 2013 Gallup survey showed that 61% of Kyrgyz thought the dissolution of the USSR was harmful, compared to 16% who thought it was beneficial.

A 2013 Gallup survey showed that 42% of Moldovans thought the dissolution of the USSR was harmful, compared to 26% who thought it was beneficial.[7] Regret about dissolution later increased to 70% according to a 2017 Pew survey, with only 18% saying the dissolution was a good thing.

Levada polling since the mid-1990s on the preferred political and economic system of Russians also shows nostalgia for the Soviet Union, with the most recent polling in 2021 showing 49% preferring the Soviet political system, compared to 18% preferring the current system, and 16% preferring Western democracy, as well as 62% saying they preferred a system of economic planning compared to 24% preferring a market capitalist economy.

en.wikipedia.org/…/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_Union

Further, let’s look at the actual referendum:

Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?

Yes - 77.8%

en.wikipedia.org/…/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum

Nostalgia for the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

Show threadAtomic3d ago

Your survey there seems to include most ex Soviet states. But it would seem you forgot atleast 3. I don’t see Lithuania, Estonia or Latvia there. I wonder why you chose to not include them.

Oh, was it because in Estonia 75% said the dissolution was good (15% bad)

Latvia because 53% said it was good (35% bad)

Or Lithuani where 62% said it was good (23% bad), whom in 1991 according to pew, showed that 13% of them rated their lives as “good”. Where as 44% in 2019.

I have no doubt, that those living in the smaller ex Soviet states were favorable. Their gdppc and ppp are significantly lower than Russias. And they probably think being part of a much larger nation will give them the benefit of a larger economy. That is, until they saw what happened to Ukraine. Which is why almost all of them, except Belarus. Have sought influence elsewhere, mainly China and Turkey.

Though I’d do like to add one final note. Those who disliked Stalin either fled, hid, or “dissapeared”. What’s left are those who remained loyal or hid well enough. The love for Stalin was not out of respect, it was out of fear.

We see all the morons in the US praising Trump. No amount of incompetence will ever make them leave the cult. Reminds me of someone…

Show threadFerrous3d ago
Your original (implicit) point was that people who have lived experienced in the era of the USSR disliked it. That’s just not true. All you have is anecdotes - and anecdotes mostly from USians, at that.
Show threadAtomic3d ago

No, all I have is not anecdotes. But the anecdotes confirm everything else.

People fled and smuggled themselves out for a reason. You either fall in line and praise the rulers, or you might trip and fall out of a window.

Millions upon millions died under Stalin. And when he was on deaths door, there were hardly any doctors to treat him due to him having them killed, tortured, and/or arrested. Now that is poetic justice. Though it’s hardly any consolation for his victims.

Show threadJohn3d ago

Me: provides evidence from the CIA itself, directly related to the topic on hand

Another user: provides evidence that many/most ex-soviet citizens actually preferred Socialism vs the Shock Capitalism they experienced. (Read Shock Doctrine and Blackshirts and Reds)

You: nuh uhh! My great grandparents told me a story once!

How to summon the .ml warrior with this one simple step.

Yes indeed. I fight against misinformation and for human rights. I support and march alongside strikers. I confront Proud Boys and other fascists. I resist against ICE. I fight for LGBTQ+ and BIPOC rights. I am active in mutual aid in my community. I’ve helped put Progressives and Socialists in elected office. I’m organizing my community against fascism and capitalism that ruins our lives.

You? Well … what have you accomplished lately?

That we’ve actually still have accounts of those who witnessed and experienced it first hand.

Yes of course. And there’s Cubans in Miami who denounce Cuba. Nevermind that these people are all ex-land owners, factory owners, and capitalists who exploited the working class for their own benefit. Castro was kind enough to exile them instead of what Mao did.

Myth: Communism Killed 100 Million+ People

Debunked:

Death tolls often include WWII casualties, famines, and natural disasters, misattributed to communism.

Capitalist atrocities (Native American genocide, transatlantic slavery) dwarf these numbers.

Sources like the “Black Book of Communism” are ideologically biased and widely discredited.

Myth: “Communist countries have no food!”

Busted:

Famines (e.g., USSR 1921) were caused by war/sanctions, not socialism.

Socialist states often had better nutrition than capitalist peers (e.g., Cuba’s food security vs. US food deserts).

Capitalist countries waste 40% of food while millions starve.

A good book to read is Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism by Kristen Ghodsee. So yea, read some books. Or rely on anecdotes 2 generations removed lol

Blocking you, I have no desire to continue this thread.

Show threadAtomic3d ago

What’s the point of asking questions if you’re gonna block?

What CIA says or doesn’t say is literally, irrelevant. We have plenty of accounts from within Europe.

That other user very conveniently left out the 3 baltic countries where the vast majority doesn’t want to rejoin. And those 3 countries just so happen to also have much higher gdppc and ppp than the rest.

You’re not fighting misinformation by being a Stalin apologist. And certainly not with your whataboutism. This isn’t about Cuba… or the US.

No idea where this 100m+ is from or that communist countries doeant have food. Literally never heard that. Are you just making up myths so you can “debunk” them?

The famines were created by Stalins collectivisation. His policy dealt the final blow that doomed millions to starvation. They had food. They just didn’t let certain people keep it…

You’re not fooling anyone. We know things were not great under Stalin. From the famines to the arbitrary dissapearnces and arrests. But keep excusing it.

It’s so hilarious that you say you fight against ICE, while defending the Soviet’s far worse version of “ICE”. You know how ICE drags people off the street in broad daylight. That’s what happened back then too.