How much of it is society is collapsing versus the daily on-goings of the ruling class was so obscure that they were easier to ignore?

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How much of it is society is collapsing versus the daily on-goings of the ruling class was so obscure that they were easier to ignore? - Divisions by zero

Lemmy

How much of what? Which ruling class?

Ex: healthcare and childcare is unaffordable and collapsing everywhere because patriarchy refuses to accept that it’s something that once employed half of the population to do and is obviously going to be extremely expensive to maintain so they just expect free social labor to fill the gaps. This is true even in China.

Its not collapsing thats mostly the internet being a void people scream into. There is some global crises at the moment but they’ll pass. Day to day most people are getting up going to work, spending time with their families and living life.
Crises don’t pass, they are either resolved or they get worse. Your passivity is not a measure of the labor of those who have resolved previous crises. You are free to stick your head back in the sand, but do not blame us when we can no longer protect you.
Thinking society is collapsing isnt solving problems. Most of these problems aren’t the average persons to solve
We have the liberties we have because average people in the past knew otherwise. Union workers, revolutionaries, mass political movements, terrorists, soldiers, and civil servants. If the system steers society towards collapse, we all have to change the system by the least violent means available, which is sometimes a violent civil war.
Yes but its not steering towards collapse.

Then you’ve totally missed the point of freedom and democracy.

Collectively, our leaders are very much “average” people. Some are super smart, others are ignorant and stupid. Some are great leaders, others are petty and vindictive. Some are well-educated, some are Majorie Taylor Greene.

And let’s be clear - society isn’t collapsing. Freedom and prosperity are collapsing.

I’m not saying not vote. I assumed the average person is voting for people to solve those problems. Then its those people who are focused on solving those problems. Average people focus on their own problems.

Suppose you had a co-worker. You both make the same salary, say $75,000/year takehome.

You mention that you are buying a house, and your co-worker says “I wish I could do that. I have too much credit card debt.”

“How much debt do you have?” you ask.

“$600,000,” he replies.

“Oh, my,” you reply. “Well, how did you spend that much so fast? What about your budget?”

“Yeah, I still spend about $110,000 per year, but most of my debt is just interest accrual.”

And that’s the U.S. in a nutshell. Yes, we can get by for another day or another month or another year - until we can’t. And then it all comes crashing down with a quickness.

Look at the graph here: en.wikipedia.org/…/History_of_the_United_States_p…

Notice that the last time our debt ratio got this high, it was WWII. After the war, the financial repercussions were addressed, the money was paid back and we got on with our lives. When it started to spike again in the 90s, Democrats and Republicans worked together and brought it back down.

So, if the debt is to be reduced, we either need to work together or we need a world war. Which do you think is more likely to happen?

History of the United States public debt - Wikipedia

The world isnt America.

And also why are you using an example of 600k cc debt? 6k debt cc is more realistic and would be easily payable by someone on 75k. Dont get me wrong, the american debt situation is not good but society still moves along while people fall through the cracks.

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I can’t tell if this is a stupid question. It isn’t even a coherent sentence.
What are you asking?

We’ve been heading towards a time that a lot of leaders knew would require change and reform but didn’t. This has made the required reform to be more drastic, creating greater resistance.

It seems to be so bad that a lot of elites are just betting on collapse without understanding what they’ll lose.