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KrauerkingDeaf woman removed from Frontier flight for "not listening"
The whole thing is so silly. Wasting everyone’s time instead of ignoring a single drink someone walked on. Is it truly worth 20-30 minutes from 100+ people, yourself included, if a person has a drink? That stewardess must have had a rough week to have made such a fuss over what could have been an inconsequential lie by omission. Even worse if she did this *GAG* for the company.
Yeah, even if she downed an open beverage before/while boarding I don’t get how that is different from all the other people practically doing shots with added anxiety meds at every airport I have ever been too.
Disposal by aggressive rapid consumption is like an American right of passage.
Disposal by aggressive rapid consumption is like an American right of passage.
Exactly. If she had downed it 3 mins earlier, it would have been 100% kosher? Not worth my time.
Absolutely not only in America. Ask your local Deaf community about discrimination they experience
I know airlines must accommodate people with disabilities, but for this flight attendant they should probably make an exception.
Why? I’m following the Reddit convention of replying before I watch the video, but
- a lot can be communicated by gestures and touch
- surely the flight attendant has or can get an effing smartphone to type or translate
They’re calling the flight attendant the one with the disability lol
Whoosh
Edit: for those missing the point, this was directed at myself
Edit2: and one more try after another coffee, saying more of the words out loud since apparently I have no social skills this morning ……
/me, ducking in panic, as a thunderous whooshing noise fills the sky, as @[email protected] kindly identifies the point sailing by just out of my reach
/me, red-faced with embarrassment, as @[email protected] kindly points out my word conveys unintended meaning to those of you not listening to my inner monologue
WesDymIn your defense, I didn’t get the joke either, until reading the replies to your comment.
The footage, posted by TikTok user legallyswiftie13, captures a tense exchange between airline staff and passengers on the plane as the woman explains she is deaf and had already noted the accommodation on her ticket.
Frontier Airlines says passengers who are deaf or hard of hearing can request assistance either during booking or through the airline’s “Manage Trips” tool.
According to the airline’s assistance page, crew members can work with travelers to, “establish a way to share important flight information,” once they are on board.
The passenger, who is visibly emotional in the video, repeatedly says she is willing to comply, but feels humiliated by the situation.
“I didn’t do anything wrong,” she says in the clip while gathering her belongings.
The U.S. Department of Transportation’s Air Traveler Disability Bill of Rights states that airline staff who interact with passengers must be trained to recognize and accommodate the needs of people with disabilities.
Lawsuit incoming. Or expect MAGA to overturn the ADA.
CubitOomI think it is just an easy excuse and buzzword for “you slow down our max profit efficiency by not being simple” like there is an automated process that all of life needs to fit into. So you punish them out of existence by them either not participating or worse.
So we will pass laws to make it so we don’t accommodate to squeeze out a little more profit. What a dumb addiction.
True. Making a scene and delaying a flight is a solid strategy for maximizing efficiency and profit.
Reality rarely goes the way those that think they can control others think it will when they try. But not always.
Narcoleptics in shambles!
DominusOfMegadeusAccommodating people for no material gain is “woke”.
Being empathetic, reasonable and human is against MAGAts.
Isn’t having a member of society being able to participate in that society a material gain? They can’t work and become a tax paying citizen if they can’t take part in the system.
I don’t know how but everyone seems to agree that if anything requires effort or some level of complex thought away from routine that it should be banned.
Like how did we come to expect life to be so easy?
And the people with power will push it like it is right.
Like how did we come to expect life to be so easy?
By it being so easy for so long. How many people do you know that grow any of their own food? How many people do you know that literally never work out and also don’t have a physically demanding job? We are victims of our own success. And we have had it so long that we expected it to unsustainably continue ad infinitum.
Also the whole being nice requires a step above basic instincts, and conservatives are both lazy physically and intellectually.
See, its funny cause this is probably why I don’t fit into the modern western world.
Cause I did not grow up easy. I did/do grow my own food, paid my own way through college with 3 jobs and 2 days of sleep a week and when I had to deal with the fact that I was still broke and unemployable after, I sold myself into indentured servitude and had little control over my life for 6 years before I came back to the US.
I truly can not relate to the life of an average american even if I can empathize that the world sucks. I’m 30 and I joke that I’m 300 at heart.
Do you mean 2 days of sleep per week literally?
Yeah. Wednesday and Saturday.
I worked as a telemarketer from midnight to 8am as one of the jobs and the days I had off were sleep in the middle of the week and so I could have Friday nights to hang with friends.
Definitely do not recommend it, I cried a lot at that time and the lack of sleep was not good and I think it left me with permanent insomnia.
I mean, did you ever have a heart attack, or severe accident?
Anxiety attacks and shortness of breath but nope, no heart attacks.
Did get in lots of physical accidents which I partially attribute to the tiredness. After 8 months of that I quit as a christmas present to myself after almost drowning in a bathtub.
I was a teenager when internet chart rooms were first invented.
I have insomnia now, yeah. Oops…
I am on the fence as to whether it was better to get paid to fuck up my sleep schedule or to have done it for the thrill of the AOL.
Damn that’s nuts. I worked 96 hours a week (5 8 hour shifts at one job and 7 8 hour shifts at another) for a while when I was younger and I was only sleeping 2-3 hours a day on the five overlap days. That wasn’t sustainable at all and burned me out in six months or so. Clearly you were doing even more, I’ve shocked you lived. I hope things are better for you now.
I could only last qbout 8 months doing it all. I kinda didnt survive it. Really changed who I was yet again in my life. But yeah I just got on a boat and sailed away from it all. Worked somewhere that gave me food housing and a routine till I could get better and I would say I am and things are. Thank you. Fuck lack of sleep.
But yeah I just got on a boat and sailed away from it all. Worked somewhere that gave me food housing and a routine till I could get better and I would say I am and things are.
Elsewhere you said you sold yourself into indentured servitude, but this sounds amazing to me. Guessing by the servitude comment it wasn’t ideal?
Trigger warnings, heavy stuff:
It was contracted work for set periods of time with no human resources and no way to leave without paying back the “costs of getting us there” I made $800 a month and was sometimes not fed because food went bad or had to be served to higher ranking people. Room was shared bunk accommodations with people that all spoke different languages but generally we all knew some English.
Like it was good sometimes. I met people and I traveled and learned to empathize beyond borders or identity but I also got raped and had my rapist rewarded which was common since it happened to friends I made as well who didnt all survive. I lost good people and watched assholes brag about their cruelty forgetting their was an american who could understand them and their goals in the room.
Life is a combination of what you make of it and the world around you. It was gonna be shitty for me no matter what. And giving myself a smaller routine was nice and so was the bigger environment to learn about myself. And I made the best of it. But knowing that, I can’t say it was amazing. I can say it works if that is what you need. Heck you can always run away to the carnival but its just different than “real” life not a new life.
Still better than the military I guess.
Thanks. Life, you know?
Leon
quick_snailShe can speak?
She’s deaf not mute.
Don’t downvote this person, not everyone knows. The passenger might not have been deaf their entire life.
CileTheSaneEven people who have been deaf since birth can learn to speak by reading lips.
Growing up my neighbors were both deaf from birth and they were able to talk well enough for a child to understand without problems. I was friends with their son and a few times went with their family to gatherings at their friends’ houses where the vast majority of attendees were also deaf.
I haven’t thought about this for a lomg long time and now I need to reflect on how that helped shape me into the person I became.
I regret not learning ASL from them when I probably could have.
Sounds like she was kicked off for an open beverage, and is trying to leverage her disability. Not sure one equals the other. She was not kicked off for being deaf
How does finishing an airport beverage get you kicked off a plane? I once brought a 5lb loaf of bread on in my lap and nibbled on it for the whole flight.
The disability is the only thing left after you remove the likeliness that she isn’t the first and only person to do this. Personality thrown to the side since rude/dumb people have also existed forever.
I agree it’s not enough to cast judgement here, but it’s enough of an omission for me to wonder what happened before the video starts (what else has been left out), so I’m not comfortable making any judgements. It’s much bigger than bread because alcohol isn’t bread especially at high altitudes: https://www.fodors.com/news/wine-and-cocktails/why-you-cant-drink-your-own-alcohol-on-airplanes . (The plane hadn’t taken off yet but it would.)
Well, there’s the people on the plane right there who are advocating for her. I rather doubt they would be stepping up to her defense if she was being a complete asshole to the crew.
@buddascrayon Please don't vote.
Midnight WolfSo you feel that consuming a drink is worthy of forcing someone to leave?
Yeah, they sure aren’t equals, but not in the order you think those two are.
No, I’m saying she wasn’t kicked off for being deaf.
She had an alcoholic drink in a cup. Which means she got something in the airport lounge and instead of throwing it out she just downed the last of it before getting on the plane. This is not an unusual thing passengers do it all the time.
And regardless of her personality shitty or otherwise. The crew had no right to kick her off the way they did.
ripcordWhere is the “downed the last of it before getting on the plane” coming from?
Seems like, from what I read (and correct me if I’m wrong)
- She got on the plane with the alcohol in an open cup
- They said she couldn’t do that (limits on outside alcohol, open drinks in general)
- It escalated because she seemed not to be listening
- She was kicked off because of, at least in theory, the drink thing
Sounds like they still overreacted, but don’t get why parent is being downvotes, or why people are inventing details.
“According to the flight attendant directly involved in the matter, the passenger boarded with an open container which she admitted contained alcohol when questioned. Bringing an open container of alcohol on board violates both Frontier policy and federal law. When the flight attendant informed the passenger of the violation, the passenger rapidly consumed the remaining alcohol in the cup before handing it over,” the airline told Newsweek.
If you read the whole article, you tend to get the whole story.
Unfortunately I’m not even remotely surprised. Deaf and hard of hearing people are often targets of people who can’t handle someone not doing what they say. Once those people feel their words aren’t being shown proper deference some of them can’t/won’t stop their emotional response to regain dominance. Inability to comply (especially in someone who appears capable) becomes refusal in their eyes, and they’ll just stretch it back to something we should have done to prevent them from feeling insubordinated. Cops are notorious for it.
I’d never even thought that one might need to tell an airline that you’re Deaf. It’s a difficult experience as someone hard of hearing, but it’s difficult in the way dealing with the DMV is. Ideally you have a hearing person with you, and if not you bring a pen and paper to communicate when you need a shoulder tapped, and just run by context cues and writing for the rest.