Danielle ForéMar 18

“Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach.

“Complying in advance” is not when you follow laws that have passed and have clearly defined penalties

Learn what phrases mean, maybe

Show threadDanielle ForéMar 18

Denying trans kids healthcare or refusing to update passports with correct gender markers because of an unenforceable executive order: complying in advance

IDing customers in a bar because serving alcohol to a minor is illegal and you will get your liquor license revoked and have to shut down your bar: not fucking complying in advance dipshit. It’s the law. I can’t do shit about this. Get mad at your representatives. I have to follow the fucking law to do business. Jesus Christ

Show threadDanielle ForéMar 18
If the worst thing that’s happened to your rights in the last few years is you might have to type the number 18 into a text box you need to touch some fucking grass. Take that energy and go to a protest. Write your reps. Stop voting for Trump. Don’t vote for Gavin Newsom. Delete meta’s apps. But constantly harassing open source maintainers like we have some kind of power is wild. I am a low income marginalized woman who is just trying to survive right now and I have much larger rights issues
Show threadDanielle ForéMar 18
When you tell me to just not implement age declaration, do you understand you’re asking me to risk thousands of dollars in fines? Which means realistically the only way for me to not follow the law is to close my business and stop making elementary OS. Do you think it makes sense for me to decide to have no income right now in the middle of massive tech layoffs in a purely symbolic act of protest? Do you really fully understand this is what you’re asking of me?
Show threadPenguin Rebellion

@danirabbit

To the best of my knowledge, none of the regulations listed here: https://actonline.org/2025/01/14/the-abcs-of-age-verification-in-the-united-states/ is currently in effect, except for the Texan situation (in effect, but blocked by a court).

So I'd say if we are serious about what phrases mean, we need to distinguish between passed, enacted, and in effect.

I get that you can't implement things last minute, but I also don't see distros coordinating and discussing whether they should resist, and what form of resistance is possible, if any. Not even the small circle of the biggest upstream ones.

That type of coordinated discussion seems to be absent from the public space, but what isn't absent is developers and maintainers tossing around their favorite "cool implementation ideas".

I'd say this is what frustrates people and makes them talk about "complying in advance".

For the record: It is highly unethical to demand from others to violate laws in effect, risking the consequences that you have described.

The ABC’s of Age Verification in the United States

  Part One of ACT | The App Association’s Two-Part Series: The ABCs and 1-2-3s of Age Verification and Compliance Lawmakers across the United States are introducing a wave of age verification and parental consent laws aimed at protecting kids online. While well-intentioned, these state-by-state approaches create a confusing and costly patchwork

ACT | The App Association
Mar 18 at 7:30pmWeb
Show threadTijgertje1987Mar 18

@penguinrebellion @danirabbit

To be fair, I prefer a system like this linked to user-accounts which gets exposed to apps and browsers.
Way better than having to authenticate to a third party service.

Yes it can easy be bypassed by everyone that has root access. If you have local root I assume you are at least 16 or even an adult, so who cares?

You give the kids their own account with the age lock on it