Seriously, just stop (or use Linux)
Isn’t notepad an LLM client now?
Feels like everything is. Might as well describe every app by it‘s (now) secondary function.
Some apps just have it as primary function now…
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I'd say LLM is a notepad client now.

That makes no sense even if you ignore the fact that Copilot can be easily disabled in Notepad, and it doesn’t directly load with the app (as in: doesn’t slow down startup or anything like that).

Notepad works just as it always had, it just has dark theme, tabs, sessions, and a Markdown viewer now.

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Well, I confess I'm in no good position to say anything about Windows 11, for I've been a daily Linux-only user (Arch, by the way) for almost a decade.

However, as far as I've seen about Windows, AI (especially that spying feature designed to take screenshots and create a lookup-able timeline, "Microsoft Recall" if I recall (pun intended) correctly) seems to be so intertwined with Windows that even the Windows Explorer's Shell has now a hard dependency on AI-related and Microsoft Edge-related libraries. This way, if someone were to try and
purge the Windows from AI-related crap, it will break the OS, Explorer simply won't launch.

Also, "can be easily turned off" implies something that comes enabled by default: the exact same dilemma behind Mozilla Firefox and all the crap they've been imbuing inside the browser. In the end of the day, it's a non-consented relation. The fact it can be opted-out doesn't make it less of a non-consented relationship, for the non-consented relation already happened as the user proceeds to opting-out of it. In other realms of legality, it would be considered a crime, but as it's something done by corporations (Microsoft, Mozilla, Google), they it's suddenly "a-okay".

Don’t take this as an attack against yourself, but holy shit, where are you getting your news from? Do people seriously believe that everything is AI in Windows now?

Recall is not yet live (it’s available as a preview feature), you have to enable it manually, and even then you can disable it easily.

Copilot barely does anything. They’re basically shoving the button wherever they can to goad people into using it, but that’s mostly it.

“Purging” the OS from “AI-related crap” would purge it from AI-related crap and not break anything (source: did this on my previous work laptop)

Also, “can be easily turned off” implies something that comes enabled by default

It’s a button. If you click the button, a Copilot interface loads with the file you’re editing pre-loaded as context. Unless you click it, it does nothing other than taking up space. You can disable the button from the Settings.

I agree about all the opt-out/opt-in stuff, but also understand why a company catering to 80% of the market defaults to opt-out - users are dumb, they have no clue how to explore features, so opt-in features remain forever disabled for 99% of them.

And then Apple does an update with an identical feature enabled by default, and everybody goes “damn, if only Microsoft think of this!”

I don’t understand what “crime” you mean.

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Don’t take this as an attackIt's okay, no offense taken.where are you getting your news from?Mostly from Lemmy, but also from Gizmodo.Do people seriously believe that everything is AI in Windows now?Tbf, it doesn't help the fact that corps are shoving AI into everything they can and can't. I'm far from being Anti-AI, but when we live in a world where everything is being AI-fied, I can totally understand the anti-AI fellows and their sentiment "Windows = AI".Recall is not yet live (it’s available as a preview feature), you have to enable it manually, and even then you can disable it easily.As far as I read, it's partially true. Not true, however, in cases when the PC was set up by someone other than you, e.g. in workplaces. If the company someone works to decides to enable Recall "to improve productivity", anything done by the employee will be seen, not just by the employer, but by Microsoft too, not to mention hackers who will love to get their hands at this golden goose of private data.They’re basically shoving the button wherever they can to goad people into using it, but that’s mostly it
It’s a button. [...] Unless you click it, it does nothing other than taking up space.
Maybe. But the presence of the button, alongside the shortcuts for features "summarizing", "auto-formatting text" and other AI-driven features, implies Copilot is a whole dependency on .dll/.exe related to Copilot, as well as potential unintended network comm with Microsoft servers.“Purging” the OS from “AI-related crap” would purge it from AI-related crap and not break anything (source: did this on my previous work laptop)Okay, fair point.I agree about all the opt-out/opt-in stuff, but also understand why a company catering to 80% of the market defaults to opt-out - users are dumb, they have no clue how to explore features, so opt-in features remain forever disabled for 99% of them.I heard the same during a discussion about Firefox here in Lemmy. "Users are dumb, so corp needs to guide them through the new features by enrolling them automatically". Whenever I hear about how "users are dumb", I can't help but wonder how the so-called "dumb users" are allowed and able to drive a half-tonne car at 120kph or, even worse, (it doesn't even need a license) voting (allowed responsibility over everyone's lives)!And then Apple does an update with an identical feature enabled by default, and everybody goes “damn, if only Microsoft thought of this!”Maybe it's because iThings aren't socially pushed as Microsoft things are. You said yourself: Microsoft is "a company catering to 80% of the market" dominating the PC market, not Apple.what “crime” you meanNon-consensual relationship. Harassment. In this case, it's software harassment disguised as dark patterns such as opt-off when it should be opt-in.

Windows' Controversial Recall Is Back—Here’s How to Control It

Microsoft's AI-powered Recall feature screenshots almost everything, and if you care about privacy, that still poses a problem.

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Mostly from Lemmy

Yeah, Lemmy is weird, especially the tech-related communities for some reason. It’s like: “if it’s not Linux and FOSS, it’s literal cancer, unless it’s Microsoft’s, then it’s literal radioactive and aggressive cancer”.

I can totally understand the anti-AI fellows and their sentiment “Windows = AI”.

100% agreed. However, as with any other opinion, fundamentalism is bad, m’kay. I get why people are tired of AI (I’m in the same boat!) but there has to be rationality involved.

As far as I read, it’s partially true.

That’s just ordinary standard click-bait from a tech site. They themselves mention that the rollout will be “to beta users”, that means Insiders. Insider builds are very different from regular builds and many features are force-enabled in them.

Which makes sense: if you’re making the very conscious decision of signing up to Windows Insider, after going through the warnings about the nature of the program, you should know full well about what it comes with.

I was reinstalling my wife’s Windows recently and was asked if I want to enable Recall, with a very prominent “the feature is in preview” on the screen.

Not true, however, in cases when the PC was set up by someone other than you, e.g. in workplaces. If the company someone works to decides to enable Recall “to improve productivity”, anything done by the employee will be seen, not just by the employer, but by Microsoft too, not to mention hackers who will love to get their hands at this golden goose of private data.

Oof, there’s a bit to unpack here.

  • If it’s workplace, it’s not the employee’s device, it’s the workplace’s. Nothing the employee does is private, that’s the whole point of managed devices. Nobody ever looks at what the employee does (unless their manager is completely fucking insane), because nobody has the time for that, but in case of, say, litigation, or such, the data is there. Recall isn’t needed for that.

  • Microsoft has zero access to Recall data. It’s 100% local (hence the “Copilot+ PC” requirement - these are the PCs that have CPUs with an “NPU”, or “Neural Processing Unit”, allowing them to run LLMs locally without killing performance).

  • For hackers to get to this data, they’d need to break the network security measures, the account security measures, anti-virus security measures AND BitLocker. Which is to say: a hacker getting access to Recall is the least of a workplace’s worries, because it means they’re effectively wide open to the Internet.

  • There’s not much in Recall that you can’t extract from the browser’s cache. Many of these things are actually less useful, because even if you steal someone’s password by scraping Recall data (and that’s assuming something goes wrong and Recall doesn’t redact it), you won’t be able to sign in from a different device due to MFA. However, if you have such deep-level access to the device, you can, instead, steal the token used for logging in - that one usually already comes with the MFA token, so you can sign in anywhere.

  • Maybe. But the presence of the button, alongside the shortcuts for features “summarizing”, “auto-formatting text” and other AI-driven features, implies Copilot is a whole dependency on .dll/.exe related to Copilot, as well as potential unintended network comm with Microsoft servers.

    Those features - to my knowledge - only work on the devices with the NPU, which is to say: they run locally. I haven’t really looked into it, though. Either way: they are fully optional and dormant until the user clicks them.

    Whenever I hear about how “users are dumb”, I can’t help but wonder how the so-called “dumb users” are allowed and able to drive a half-tonne car at 120kph

    Check any news source for the road accident numbers. You start to see a trend now?

    or, even worse, (it doesn’t even need a license) voting (allowed responsibility over everyone’s lives)!

    Did you not notice who won in the US last year?

    Maybe it’s because iThings aren’t socially pushed as Microsoft things are

    How do you mean? The only difference I can think of is that Apple users are generally more enthusiastic towards Apple products than MS users. That being said, we’ve seen countless times that whatever Apple does is called “revolutionary”, whereas when MS does, people don’t care. First touch-screen phones: Microsoft. Best digital assistant: Microsoft. Best optimised mobile OS: Microsoft. Etc., etc.

    And we’ve already seen that recently with Recall - Microsoft announced it, and people lost their shit, talking about how dangerous that is, how security is 100% compromised right now, and how everybody has to switch to MacOS or Linux.

    Then, two weeks later, Apple announced it’s identical but less secure version of Recall, and there was nothing overtly negative in the media about it. Some sceptical articles here and there.

    Non-consensual relationship. Harassment. In this case, it’s software harassment disguised as dark patterns such as opt-off when it should be opt-in.

    That’s, unfortunately, not how it works. I agree that dark patters suck and people who use them should be banned from making any executive decisions regarding software ever, but most of the time when people are complaining about dark patterns these days, it’s completely benign shit.

    Like, come on, a button showing up with a new feature is now a “dark pattern”? Let’s be real here.

    Waiting for the rename to copad AI.
    See Copilot logo in top right

    Disable the Copilot logo with three clicks.

    (Don’t get me wrong - I hate that they shoved a fucking LLM front-end into Notepad, but let’s not be silly and pretend like it’s all shit now. It still does the exact same job it always did)

    My week as a windows forced office worker just peaked having seen this meme.

    notepad has formatting now? o_O

    does it produce markdown or something?

    Yep it’s markdown, and yep they had a CVE with second highest grade cause of it
    heh, ofc. Apparently something to do with file:// and such uri handling, apparently executing local files? Yikes.

    not just local files

    if you click a link to file:///123.45.67.89:69420/files-download/virus.exe it will download and run virus.exe

    it still works, but now there is a “Dangerous Link Location: This is not a web link and may lead to the execution of malicious code” warning, but previously it would silently run the file.

    kinda wild a file-link ever went straight to executing it after download - which on it’s own could be dangerous as well.

    I guess the “the s in IOT stands for security” also applies to notepad: “the s in vibecoding stands for security”

    Aren’t CVE grades meaningless anyway with how they are declared in real world?
    We run CVEs through our software inventory and configuration and come up with a new score that measures how bad it is for us.
    It’s a UWP (i think? they renamed the platform twice already) vibecoded app now, notepad.exe still around.

    If you use the formatting bar to format text, it unlocks the View→Markdown menu which has two options - Markdown or Syntax. This allows you to toggle seeing the source or formatted markdown.

    If you do not use the formatting bar to format text, markdown is not enabled. I manually typed in text in markdown format and the menu didn’t un-grey.

    You can go into the app settings and turn off formatting, which will hide the formatting toolbar.

    I think you really have to work hard to be offended by this.

    the point and strength of notepad was that it opened immediately, no bullshit, you can write text and that’s all.

    I suspect that’s not the case anymore.

    Nope, now (by default) it opens all the files you had open the last time you used Notepad. You can turn it off, but it’s annoying.

    Notepad, the app I literally only ever use accidentally, or to edit a PC’s hosts file… Ah yes, this definitely needs CoPilot and markdown formatting.

    All it needed was a dark mode to match modern Windows light/dark theming, done.

    The additional shit (markdown, CoPilot?!) is just noise, intrusions, and vulnerabilities.

    Notepad++ gang, rise, claim your kingdom.
    But disable automatic update…
    Probably prudent anyways. What agent they broken recently?
    Notepad++ Hijacked by State-Sponsored Hackers | Notepad++

    No? That’s already been long-fixed?
    I’m talking about this incident, fixed in February 2026
    Notepad++ Hijacked by State-Sponsored Hackers | Notepad++

    What’s an update?
    Notepad++ update feature hijacked by Chinese state hackers for months

    Chinese state-sponsored threat actors were likely behind the hijacking of Notepad++ update traffic last year that lasted for almost half a year, the developer states in an official announcement today.

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    Didn’t it got patched?

    Well it’s a 23y old application that had one issue where the dev’s machine got infected, and it was handled ~instantly.

    What’s the actual problem here?

    Instantly? The article says “lasted for almost half a year”
    We’re talking geologic timescales here. Did you miss the memo?

    This isn’t the first time that application has had problems either, the CIA hacked it because it was loading unsigned DLLs: notepad-plus-plus.org/…/v733-fix-cia-hacking-npp-…

    To be fair it’s one of the most popular text editors so it’s not surprising nation states would target them, and it’s hard to block someone with those kinds of resources.

    Fix CIA Hacking Notepad++ Issue | Notepad++

    I really hope that’s sarcasm considering latest news xd
    Metapad still strong.
    This was my first thought. I hadn’t bothered installing it in a while, then one day that fucking copilot icon appeared, and back I went. There’s something to be said for a tool that does the thing it needs to do well and only that.

    So… they removed Wordpad to push people into using Word… and now they removed Notepad to push people into… this monstrosity? Why does Notepad support hyperlinks now?

    Back when I used Notepad, it was to strip out rich text formatting and reliably get consistently distinct text, especially if I configured it to use a monospace font. Now I have to worry about embedded hyperlinks sending me to God-knows-where?

    Control + Shift + V pastes as plain text.
    If you are stuck in Windows, use Notepad++.
    I always thought the default font used by notepad, courier, is monospace. But I mostly stopped using windows years ago so maybe that changed
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    Wasn't there a lurking
    edit.exe or edit.cmd somewhere inside C:\WINDOWS\system32? Would make an interesting replacement to the enshittified "Not-e-pad". But, then, I haven't used Windows since Windows 10 was still a novelty (and what definitely pushed me to Linux... Arch Linux btw), so maybe I'm very old ("I'm old, Dean, very old") to recall of a MS-DOS relic.

    Wasn’t there a version of ed in DOS at one point? Or am I mis remembering?

    That could still lurk somewhere in windows’ maze of directories somewhere…

    A 64-bit version of edit seems to be in the works. You can cli install it for now, but MS is promising to include it eventually.

    learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/edit/

    Edit command line text editor

    Learn how to use Edit, a command-line text editor, in Windows.

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    Good question. I'm not sure. I guess no, because, as far as I know,
    ed is a GNU editor which allows for composing and editing files in a REPL-like environment (whose specific commands, apart from "q" to quit, I'm yet to learn)

    The "edit" I'm referring to was a spiritual antecessor or cousin of vim, emacs and nano. It was a TUI, full with a functional menubar accessible through keyboard arrow keys. I remember it having a blue background with gray/white text.

    I remember with quite a certainty it was a thing for Windows XP. Was invokeable by using "edit filename.txt" in cmd.

    However, I also remember having manually copied some executables across diferent Windows versions in order to test and see whether these old executables would work. I remember having successfully ran Windows XP's calc.exe in some later Windows version, relying on the compatibility layer ("ntvdm", I guess?). I remember doing the same for 16-bit, MS-DOS programs, but I don't remember whether "edit" MS-DOS programs was included in post-XP Windows versions, or if I manually copied it from XP.

    Maybe it’s edit I’m remembering. It was a long time ago, and I stopped using windows seriously around 3.11, so I never paid much attention to what was on that partition. It was only there to run steam (and a few other games).

    I suppose I should have switched to a console, but it never even occurred to me at the time.

    Yes, DOS had edit.com, all the BASIC stuff I learned was done in it
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    Oh, I misremembered the file extension. Yeah, that's right, it was edit.com, there was likely no .exe because it was a relic from before Windows NT.

    And, BASIC... Such great times. Although the BASIC flavor I dealt the most with was Visual Basic (VB5 and VB6), I also did some tinkering with terminal-based BASIC flavors (specifically, Linux ports of BASIC interpreters) as well.
    Really all I remember was finding gorillas.bas and playing like the spiritual source of the old scorched earth game…

    Notepad is still fine. You can disable markdown and the AI stuff.

    I use Macs at home, but use Windows 11 at work. I actually use a combination of Notepad and Sticky Notes daily (well, not on the weekends). It’s fine.

    One thing I want it to do is stop telling me a file is not saved if I change something and then change it back. The unsaved indicator (the dot) annoys me.

    None of what you describe here is fine.
    But that’s not notepad. It’s notepad.app.