OtterCachyOS Is Now the Most Popular Desktop Distro on ProtonDB
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MountaineerI’ve been running Cachy for a few months - it just works.
I picked it because it appeared to be easy to install Arch (which I’ve run before, btw) with sane defaults.
But that’s exactly what Endeavour is from what I just read.
I don’t know if the purported optimisations provide any real world benefit, but the major reason I went Cachy is it being the flavour of the month.
For the time being, it’s where a lot of focus is for new development in the gaming space.
Limine is also a good reason for people who want the benefits of Arch but are worried about bad updates. Being able to rollback to an earlier snapshot in the boot menu is nice for new users
KoryInteresting, thank you.
Was checking it out and will leave the link here in case someone else wants to read about it: wiki.cachyos.org/installation/boot_managers/
sbirdBased on the experiences I have seen with others, it looks like CachyOS has more software installed out-of-the-box (compared to EndeavourOS being more minimal). Both look similarly easy to install and offer many different DEs (I think CachyOS has a few more though, but you could manually install others)
I personally use EndeavourOS as I like that it’s more minimal and don’t really care about the gaming optimisations of CachyOS. It seems pretty neat though, so I might try it out one day if I get a newer computer that would benefit from those bits.
orgIf you go that way, you also gotta count ubuntu and all its derivatives towards debian.
But if you look at the plot you can see the only ubuntu based ones are mint, ubuntu and pop which add up to 20.6% and thats still less than cachy. So unless you add the 2.7% of debian to make a “debian based” cluster, cachy still wins with 21.1%
All this to say, cachyos is fucking boomin.
Fair point yeah. So its all just Arch, Fedora and Debian in the end.
There are others still, like Slackware and SUSE.
Well not in this plot. They just arent relevant for gaming by the looks of it.
My apologies for inserting this “akshually ☝️”, but I’m almost 100% sure that the distro that just didn’t make the cut -the one represented in green, right under Manjaro- is openSUSE. It’s possible to deduce this from an earlier report of Boiling Steam and its respective graph.
But, perhaps unsurprisingly, I don’t ever recall seeing Slackware in any of these.
FWIW, similarly, we can deduce the grey one below openSUSE to be Gentoo from this report and its respective graph. And, finally, the blue one below Gentoo to be Garuda from the respective graph of this report.
jesus look how many people were tricked into using manjaro, the majority gone for a reason
I made the bad decision to try it instead of arch for one machine because installing was easier. And it was just constantly broken from out of date repos and all their built in shit just not being very good. And now they just released some manifest or something to try get the project back on track. I haven’t looked at it in like 5+ years but this graph makes me think nothing really changed.
AnUnusualRelicThat’s my experience of a couple months with it as well.
Went back to my usual OpenSuSE or Fedora.
Never used it myself, but every year or two I see an article about how one of their SSL certs expired and they have to tell all their users to set their clocks back until they can fix it.
Currently imploding due to internal conflict
No. This is the first time in ~a decade I’ve felt anything resembling optimism about Manjaro. That maintainers are acknowledging the deep-rooted issues (resulting in the actual reasons people sneer at Manjaro) and forcing change is something that I think should be supported. Those conversations are necessary and have a higher chance of being healthy if the peanut gallery can hold off from turning spin on everything that smells like drama…
eliIt’s arch based but they just arbitrarily hold back all packages by a week for “review” (nobody actually reviews them). This means that security updates etc are delayed for no good reason. It also means that if you use the AUR, which their official package manager GUI allows you to, you will run into dependency hell and system breaking issues frequently. On top of that, regular infrastructure maintenance, like SSL cert renewals, just doesn’t get done, and it breaks everybody’s install.
mrbigmouth502It had its place in 2015. It was my introduction to Arch-based distros. Nowadays, I use EndeavourOS.
From the article:
Flatpak is NOT a distro, but that’s what Steam reports when it’s running on Flatpak, and Flatpak being distro independent we report it as a separate environment, if that makes sense. Feel free to ignore it if you wish.
Anyone want to ELI5 what’s so slick about Cachy?
I likes my Debian. Look at that graph. Steady as rock.
From what I understand, it is the arch approach but with package binaries compiled to target newer hardware instead of the largest set of hardware. Their homepage claims they enable several performance-type optimizations in both the kernel and common system libraries. It’s not surprising to me that protondb, a repository of “how well can I get this game to run on Linux through proton?” reports, is studying an outsized proportion of users on CachyOS.
rozodruIt’s essentially Arch with a custom kernel and repos. That being said the Kernel and repos are REALLY good. very optimized. I use the CachyOS Kernel on my NixOS system and I use the repos as well as the kernel on a regular Arch system. If you’re a gamer then you’ll notice a definite increase in performance. the devs/maintainers of CachyOS are also very transparent and provide constant updates.
Now you’ll probably ask “well why not just use CachyOS itself?” to which I’ll say they pack A LOT of stuff into the distro most of which I just don’t need. It can result in a long install time, much longer than most distros. But if you want a solid easy to install distro right out of the box you can’t go wrong. They also support just about every DE and WM under the sun. Seriously when you install it they provide you with options for everything AND also provide you with custom configs for everything so you can say use Niri or Hyprland or whatever right away without having to do much if any further configuration. They also have configurations for shells too. They also have their own version of Proton which is quite good, I also use that. They also provide you with the option to have snapper/timeshift set up for you right off the bat so you don’t have to worry about rolling back if something goes wrong.
They also have a fairly new updating feature which I love. Basically it’s a version of pacman where anyone can use it/figure it out. Like other distros like Fedora or Debian it’ll notify you when there are updates and will walk you through the process of updating, providing you with recent Arch News while you update, then clear out orphaned dependencies and clear your cache for you. it’s really a very good updater.
Overall it’s a very solid and easy to use Arch based distro and a fantastic introduction to Arch.
Was it too difficult to let up the kernel and repos in Arch? Did this config break for you after an update?
You can also look into PikaOS if you want gaming features and drivers baked into Debian.
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ItsamelemmyStill on Mint. Tried catchy recently when I nuked my Mint install. (I told myself I’d never remember to remove kisak-mesa before updating the kernal, and yup).
Was only on catchy for half a day, but did really like it. KDE and some of the preinstalled tools were nicer than Mint. Only issue is I could only access my old NTFS windows drives as read only. In the process of getting more storage so I can backup and format everything as ext4, and might try catchy again. But Mint has been treating me well, and has no issues handling the windows drives.
I think it’s important to recognize that if something is working well for yourself you don’t really need to change it
this might be something you’re doing already but you can use VMs to try distros before fully committing
NinjaTurtleIs it worth nuking my PopOS to try CachyOS?
I like the stability of Ubuntu and a lot of projects usually have deb files officially, like Signal. However, my start up time on Pop is oddly long and have Bluetooth issues (which is fine as I dont use it very often).
I was on Bazzite for a bit. It was fine but the immutability was a bit annoying for me when editing files. Then on Nobara which was also fine but plasma crashed on me several times which caused me to repair it each time in order for it to work again.
Sounds good. Thanks for the input.
Jordan Gloor@NinjaTurtle @otter I've been using CachyOS with Plasma for a few months and only one time experienced major instability. Switched to an earlier snapshot and then waited a couple more days to update again, no other problems since.
…because users have to keep re-downloading it as it keeps bricking…
From CachyOS’s homepage:
CachyOS ships every package optimized for your CPU - compiled with x86-64-v3/v4 and Zen4 instructions, LTO, and PGO - on top of a custom kernel with the tuned EEVDF scheduler. The result: a noticeably faster Arch Linux experience with the same rolling-release flexibility you expect.
There’s no way this many gamers know what half of those things mean. Someone should look into the marketing behind cachy because whatever they’re doing is clearly a winning strategy in the distro wars.
Also, it’s pretty funny to see Nix and Flatpak on here. Nix can’t beat another package manager even when it tries to compete in a totally different category.
…but at least it surpassed Manjaro