If the original Mac had used icons in menus from the start, nobody in their right mind would be calling for their removal today.
That's how you know that argument doesn't reflect reality. All major platforms now have icons in menus; you can't wind back the clock on that one, you're just obstinately refusing to follow the system standards and user expectation.
So much ink and many podcast hours have been wasted discussing the wrong parts of the issues with Liquid Glass on the Mac
1. What does iOS have to do with it?
2. What @nikitonsky said applies to iOS as well
3. On top of that Apple keeps hiding meaningful information behind meanigless inconsitent icons across apps and utilities
@dmitriid @nikitonsky iOS is Apple's bigger, more-successful OS, and is also (on iPad) used with keyboard and mouse, which has had menu icons for several years. The point is where are all the calls to remove its menu icons?
It's all well and good saying now that you would have campaigned against icons in menus had they been here since the start, but nobody has brought up that claim against Apple's other OSes, and they've been here for years. I just don't believe it ex post facto
iPad has for years been basically a one-window device on with a small screen, used mostly for consumption, with very limited mouse and keyboard support added as an afterthought.
Since iPad has fewer users of actual complex and desktop software, there were no calls for that. Oh, don't forget that for years, again, iPad was viewed as basically abandoned with many complaints that Apple doesn't do anything to do iPad OS a better system.
"Other Apple OSes" are iOS which doesn't have menus, iPad OS which has been the bastard child with little non-consumption use, tvOS which is basically abandonware and doesn't have menus.
And MacOS which... you somehow assume MUST absolutely become iOS because?
Ah yes. Everything that I longpress spawns a 4-item menu that is a) equivalent to menus on MacOS and b) must serve as a model for MacOS because reasons.
@grishka has already answered about "investment"
@stroughtonsmith @nikitonsky @grishka
Here's a menu that pops up in Ivory when I long press a user name.
Which part of this menu can serve as an example for MacOS?
- Not fitting the screen?
- Icons on the right?
- Multiple nested expandable groups?
- Icons that make no sense ("open link to profile") but have to be there just because?
@stroughtonsmith @nikitonsky @grishka
Compare. Standard iOS longpress menus in Ivory vs. desktop-like custom menus in Fastmail.
Somehow desktop-like menus have no problems with clarity, grouping, icons etc.
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