I was hunting down folk who sing with a Northern Irish accent for #ThePlaylist and was disappointed to find a lot of singers from here seem to suppress or downplay their accent. So, for St Patrick’s Day, here’s Foy Vance in the Bushmills Distillery with some very County Down vowels.

https://youtu.be/LWldBMWI8Gs

Foy Vance - Closed Hand, Full of Friends (Live from Bushmills Distillery)

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@astronomerritt

Wow, great performance, but amazing to me how the accent sounds just like a certain variety of stuff from the US, doesn't sound unusual or "foreign accent" to me at all.

@dlakelan That’s interesting, because to me that’s a very strong local accent. The way he sings “down” in the second line and “now” in the chorus are very characteristic of a specific area.

But then, I’ve spoken to Americans who think Liam Neeson’s American accent is great so now I suspect you lot just can’t tell the difference 😉

Foy Vance is good though. He’s like if Van Morrison wasn’t a massive twat.

@astronomerritt

Yeah, I can hear the "down" (sounds like "deern"). But I think you may also be underestimating the effect that Irish immigrants had on American music particularly in bluegrass. I'm definitely a bluegrass fan so that may play into it.

Here's like some random recent bluegrass that's not at all a good comparison but I definitely hear altered pronunciation vs american common english

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJzz-Nuo-QQ

Molly Tuttle and Billy Strings, "Sittin On Top Of The World," Grey Fox 2019

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@astronomerritt

So, let's go back to OLD school bluegrass, here, and these vowel sounds are very nasal and more similar to the ones you're talking about I think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR7weHhXy_Q

The Little Girl and the Dreadful Snake

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@astronomerritt

Ok, so my wife agrees with me about the songs. So we decided to look up an interview with Foy Vance, and listened to that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwEK6MafFEo

And my wife said basically that it sounds very much like a slightly different cadence to an Appalachian accent (which to be fair shouldn't be unexpected as the Appalachian area has heavy irish influence).

So now I gotta find you an appalachian person interview to compare.

Foy Vance x Tønder Festival - Backstage interview 2024

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@astronomerritt

So here are some absolutely strong Appalachian accents on display in interviews. (if you talk like this in the US you will be pegged for Appalachian immediately and people may have a hard time understanding you)

And while this seems much more extreme than the accent Foy has in his interview, I think there are clear similarities, and when you put these into song, they meld to something similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU

Appalachian English

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@dlakelan See, that’s absolutely fascinating, because not only can I sort of hear what you mean, the similarity is very specifically to a Northern Irish Ulster-Scots accent like the one Foy has, not a Southern Irish one. Even in the vocab, like calling a paper bag a “poke”. And you don’t really… hear this accent in other parts of the world much? But apparently a great deal of the immigration to Appalachia was specifically Ulster-Scots, and then the rural and isolated nature of the community preserved a lot of those features.
@dlakelan The Northern Irish accents are very phonetically distinct from the ones down south due to the Scottish influence and it’s absolutely wild to me to hear phonetic features of this accent anywhere else, to be honest. This has been an absolutely fascinating rabbit hole and I’m so tickled and rather pleased that Northern Irish singers with very Northern Irish accents can sound so familiar and “normal” to you when the accent is often derided in this corner of the world!

@astronomerritt

It absolutely is wild, and wonderful. Power to our cultural heritages. To hell with people deriding anyone for their accent. Send me links to more North Irish musicians!

@dlakelan This is my problem: a lot of singers from up here don’t necessarily sound like they are! Again, it’s not considered a very prestigious accent to have. Even a lot of the young buskers I’d hear in Belfast city centre sound very Americanised. Let me have a further think and a rummage. I know I’m likely missing some obvious ones.

@astronomerritt

Another bit of trivia I guess is that my grandfather on my mother's side had a father who was born in County Down in 1865 and then immigrated to the US in the late 1800's. It's entirely plausibly my grandfather's accent was influenced by his father's, and I knew my grandfather very well until he died in the early 90's so some of the familiarity may come from that.

@dlakelan Oooh, do you know where in County Down?

@astronomerritt

I don't. I only have American marriage records for when he married stating that he was born 1865 in County Down, Ire.

@dlakelan If you ever want me to try to find out more I can let you know when I’m visiting the public records office in Belfast? It won’t be soon but I’ve been planning to go for a while.