bearboiblakePretty much it.
ryannathansMmm yes sow more division daddy
schmupsBiden’s not president anymore buddy. You can stop bringing him up.
So, did you just blow in from stupid town?
What, you think Biden is still president?
Do you? You’re the one bringing him up. Everyone else here seems to have a grasp on reality and the fact that Biden is an entirely irrelevant figure on the current stage and that the current administration is a pedophile white power rally, but that’s not a problem for you unless they’re one of those evil leftist democrats, right?
Also, everybody here hates Biden, too, but not because he isn’t kissing the rings, you’re just yelling from the far side. Lemmy isn’t a democrat support group, in case you haven’t caught on.
SwedneckIf one side wants people like me and my partner to die, I’m okay with dividing them away from me.
So, you’re anti-Muslim? Or just anti an extremely small minority of Christians that the MSM tells you is everyone who disagrees with you?
YliasterMost members of abrahamic faiths are overwhelmingly homophobic. Definitely not a minority.
Homophobic does not equal wanting you dead. Muslims are the only one in the majority that want gays to be killed. Jews and Christians tolerate LGBT peoples.
And here I was thinking satire was dead.
1- Not true, christians want gays dead too
2- Homophobia itself is something that kills, if you’re unaware.
No Christian wants gay people killed. Maybe someone cosplaying as a Christian, but no Christians. It’s against all Christian doctrines.
No True Scotsman fallacy.
Christians wish death upon gay men all the time.
I will reiterate that homophobia kills, and christians are indefensibly homophobic, as a fact.
There’s a lot that’s against christian doctrines. The vast majority don’t care to follow most/all of them.
Except if you look at all of Christian history and all of Christian doctrine you would understand that it’s not the No True Scotsman fallacy. It’s literally against all of what Jesus taught. He went so far as to teach that hating someone is equivalent to killing them. Just because some people choose to claim Christianity and do non-Christian things does not negate the core of Christianity.
It doesn’t matter what Christianity teaches because Christians act against Christianity all the time— this is reflected in their prejudices that are specific towards them.
It’s not “some”, homophobia is the default amongst Christianity.
Again, almost no Christians hate other people. Jew, Muslim, Gay, Queer, etc there is no hate. Not approving of the lgbt lifestyle is not hate.
Attacking them is, though. Putting them in camps to “fix” them is, though. Chemically castrating them is, though. Passing legislation to make it a crime is, though.
Then let’s look at modern Christianity. Let’s look at what they are doing right now, because that’s where we all are, that’s what’s relevant and that is their truth.
This is like when conservatives try the old “LiNCoLn WuZ A rePuBLiCaN!” That’s completely fucking irrelevant to modern times, nomenclature, and politics, and that includes religion, none of them are the same thing they were 2000 years ago and it’s absurdly stupid to imply that they are. Look at them for what they are.
Sure, let’s look at modern times. Not being anti- gay marriage rights, not being anti-adult trans rights, supporting women in the workplace, supporting other religions rights, etc. I’d say that except for not actively supporting transing kids, Christians are the most supportive group in the U.S.
You really don’t pay attention to politics do you? There is this guy, Pete Hegseth, maybe look into the things he’s been saying lately. He runs our military.
That’s often a train of thought people experience when justifying their allegiance with history’s greatest monsters.
Like lefties who support communism even though communists have killed more people in all of human history than any other ideology? Except for maybe, no wait they were communists too.
So, every leftist is a communist?
I’m anti-hate. I don’t care what your religion is.
OriginEnergySuxMe as a centrist misanthropist watching both sides bring each other down while elites benefit every single time
the left is the side that fights the elite. centrists and right-wingers serve the elite. just so you know. capitalism is the system by which the elite maintain their domination.
Maybe in your country
if you’re american, democrats aren’t on the left, they’re a center-right political party.
the left fights the elite in every country.
I agree
big W growth moment mate, proud of you <3
He Betty now
Just swinging my chain
“The left is the side that fights the elite” Aw, bro. Both sides are being played. Don’t let my impending downvotes or your upvotes make you think otherwise.
Thanks for your comment, can you explain what you mean? I’m not sure that I understand.
Ah, I’m guessing you’re American, and you think that democrats are the left and republicans are the right? The democrats are actually center-right, they’re all about capitalism and protecting the interests of the ruling class.
The true left vs. right dichotomy actually IS the class war. The working class of the left is fighting against the ruling class, and the working class on the right is unfortunately blinded by propaganda and brainwashing into supporting the interests of the ruling class. As leftists, we need to help those on the right break free of their mind prisons by having conversations just like this one. Solidarity is everything.
Leftists in the United States historically haven’t been represented by mainstream politics exactly for that reason, and there has been centuries of anti-leftist propaganda in the US, that’s because leftists actually pose a threat to the establishment.
he democrats are actually center-right,
You’re giving muricans aneurysms with that sentence.
What’s next? Bernie’s center-left at best?
Yep, democratic socialism is ultimately a reformist position, which serves to extend the reign of capitalism by moderating it’s worse excesses. Capitalism cannot be reformed, any attempts to reform, democratize or socialize capitalism may yield short term improvements to quality of life of the working class, but if capitalism is not abolished, it will always reassert itself, and capitalism inevitably leads towards fascism. The New Deal prevented the US from sliding into fascism in the 20th century, so that’s ultimately a good thing, but it did not go far enough, and that’s why we have the resurgence of fascism in the 21st century.
This is why the Democratic Socialists of America are accepted under the banner of the Democrats, because they ultimately pose a relatively minor threat to capital owners, and they capture the energy, enthusiasm and activist efforts of left-leaning progressives, redirecting it into getting democrats elected (and thus serving the interests of the ruling class), rather than actually agitating for real, lasting societal change.
Ah, I’m guessing you’re American,
Yep
and you think that democrats are the left and republicans are the right?
Nope.
You know what they say about assumptions. It’s makes and ass outta you.
Okay, so help me to understand, I asked already and you just shared a meme, it’s kind of unfair to complain about me assuming even after I asked for clarifications :(
Once you assumed something about me I no longer am paying any attention because you already have a preconceived notion about what I think and feel.
I literally posed my guess as a question with the idea that you could correct me if I was wrong. You are the one completely failing to communicate clearly here, even with multiple attempts from me to reconcile, and yet you’re somehow blaming me for this. Okay, whatever, thanks for wasting everyone’s time.
Sure - the right were whipped up into a nationalist fury and the left were turned into useful idiots, arguing over trivial issues while the 0.01%, who do not sit on left or right, point and laugh. The only reasonable option is anarchy.
Like I said, I will eat downvotes but you can see evidence of this up and down this comments section.
I understand what you mean - I’m an anarchist too. Anarchism is a far-left position, though, you realize?
The democrats / mainstream liberals in western countries absolutely do often make the mistake of accepting the right wing’s framing and arguing with them on their terms, but actual leftists are the force who try to refocus that energy back onto the class struggle.
Don’t mistake democrats/liberals for actual leftists. Most of them are still very much pro-capitalism, and the democrat party itself is center right.
I do understand that anarchism is left, but it is almost far left and off-the-scale, it is outside the confides of the political spectrum almost, as it allows people immediate and direct democracy regardless of their political leaning.
However, there is such a thing as left-leaning authoritarianism. People seem to be rose-tinted is their view of the left as a free and positive ideology when it has its own trappings which are often parallel to the right. Both sides of the spectrum and notably those that claim to perpetuate it can’t be trusted imo.
Yeah, I understand what you’re saying, and you’re right that authoritarian leftists are a big threat, as we saw with the USSR and China, but I gotta say, it feels quite unhelpful to say that both sides are being played - it’s quite a defeatist position and discourages people from moving away from the right, centrism and liberalism, towards more leftist positions. Social democrats/democratic socialists are a problem too, but they have no traction, whereas the far-right has a lot of traction. We need to meet people where they are and help them reach the next step on the ladder of class consciousness. I don’t know about you, but I didn’t go from being conservative to anarchist overnight, it was a long and painful journey.
That is my issue with it though - I don’t want people to join the supposed left, they become useful idiots.
Imo, the only way out of this mess is a hard reset. End political parties, give the people direct democracy with as much immediacy as possible. Going left changes nothing, you still end up with a two-party system and a static group in charge who can’t be questioned, just one party will be left and one will be right-of-left.
In the UK we have a socialist prime minister as the face of labour and we got tightening of media and restricted internet.
This is entirely just my opinion, but the whole spectrum needs to get chucked in the bin.
m0ntYour enlightened centrism and unequivocal both-sides-ism serves nothing, except maybe the elite because of your inaction. You’ve got some research to do if you believe anything right of center is designed to benefit the working class. Pick a side or gtfo of the way.
blinfabianbothsideism? he literally said he supportd the left and doesnt like the right. he clearly picked a side
i know right
From the responses their comment got it seems as tho they probably edited what it said.
oh damn youre right. i fell for it 😔
Mark your edits as to what was changed.