Everyone has a MacBook Neo take, so here's mine.

Apple has, in my opinion, been a net negative for computing, and to a stunning degree. They've normalized DRM for software so completely that it will possibly take decades to get back the rights that we lost. They've used that power to make life worse for queer folks and to cozy up to the Trump administration.

But. There's something fascinating about the Neo.

@glyph made the point that the Neo is an implicit promise from Apple that macOS will run just fine on 8 GB of memory for the next 8 years.

But I think it goes farther than that: Apple made a reference device for application developers. They've never been shy about enforcing requirements on developers, and this is an interesting positive side to that: developers now have a huge incentive to make applications that fit within modest memory limits.

Put differently: this is the Electron killer, for better or worse, and not in the way that Apple killed Flash.

When PCs ship with 8 GB or less of RAM, application companies don't give a fuck, and so we get a proliferation of Electron and Electron-like platforms that consume gigantic amounts of RAM. That won't fly on something like the Neo.

It was never sustainable to keep acting like there'd always be more RAM, some Moore's Law style kind of truism. AI vendors have forced the issue by engineering an artificial components shortage.

Apple has, to my outsider view as a non-Mac user, thrown down the gauntlet and said that developers *will* stop munching RAM, or else.

Maybe that's not fair, maybe developers shouldn't have to shoulder the burden of OS vendors' failure to build platforms. But users shouldn't bear it either.

@xgranade my counter hot take is that it’s Apple saying “well may as well get money out of people who want nothing more than a browser to talk to chatbots through” but my brain is pretty cooked on ai paranoid takes
@darby3 @xgranade I totally disagree with this conclusion but wow can I ever sympathize with the environmental pressures which might cause one to arrive here
@glyph @darby3 Same, I don't agree at all, but wow I see how you get there, and would absolutely have that take on my more pessimistic days.
@xgranade @glyph @darby3 this is very much my opinion of chromebooks. I do think this is different in large part due to it being apple doing it and the implicit support for the, "this should be enough RAM, deal with it" position, but I don't have a particularly grounded or nuanced backing for it.
@kevingranade @glyph @darby3 I think that's a little different, though, in that a Chromebook is restricted to being just a browser *by design*. That wouldn't even be the worst if local-only PWAs were more popular, but browser UIs do a piss-poor job of surfacing dependencies on remote services.
@xgranade @kevingranade @glyph @darby3 a loadbearing thing about Chromebooks is they also do Android apps. I like Chromebooks a lot, they have one job and they do it well. Interesting to think of this as Apple's answer to Chromebooks. (At a much higher price.)
@davidgerard @xgranade @kevingranade @darby3 do they all do this? I have been a bit confused by capabilities being inconsistent across the lineup. I was briefly excited about chromebooks when I found out about Crostini, but I don’t really understand if it’s always available from all vendors, or frequently disabled by policy, or what

@glyph @davidgerard There's a few limitations; see the end of https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/9145439?hl=en (which also has a link near the start to which devices are supported).

It's cool, but depending on what you want, lack of 3D acceleration passthrough for example might be a killer (that's not just a thing *games* demand any more). Plus you have to live with the ChromeOS desktop environment, which may be a gruntle for some.

Set up Linux on your Chromebook - Chromebook Help

Linux is a feature that lets you develop software using your Chromebook. You can install Linux command line tools, code editors, and IDEs (integrated development environments) on your Chromebook. Thes

@LionsPhil @glyph the linux env that comes with chromeos? is ass
@davidgerard @LionsPhil @glyph It has gotten much less ass over recent years, but yeah booting any real Linux distro on the same hardware is still generally a much nicer experience for GUI apps.