Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiMar 15

No Microslop for me

https://piefed.social/c/programmer_humor/p/1880684/no-microslop-for-me

Show threadcatsarebadpeopleMar 15
Mac?
Show threadzarkanian
Mac has a Unix-like command line, but is otherwise shitty to use.
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Show threadIMALlama6d ago
That extends beyond just terminal but completely agree that their stock experience is… not great.
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Show threadTja6d ago
What’s so shitty? I’ve been using Linux for over 20 years, and Mac for work over 5. I have my terminal under f12 (iterm2/Konsole), I have my ide on one desktop, my calendar, my email and my slack on a another and a browser on another. I barely notice any difference. Honestly I don’t mind it at all. In fact if my desktop died and had to replace it, I might get a Mac mini instead.
Show threadMashedTech6d ago
I have been using Linux since the 10th grade. But for work I’m using a Mac. Because I’m not only engineering, but doing other things related to work, having a Mac is more productive and practical.
Show threadpinball_wizard6d ago

but doing other things related to work, having a Mac is more productive and practical.

I used to do the same, but lately every office thing is browser based, and I find the Linux and Mac experiences are identical.

Show threadNιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ6d ago
The web version of Office is so scuffed. I wouldn’t wish trying to do any serious Excel work with the web version on my worst enemy.
Show threadpinball_wizard6d ago
That’s fair. I also wouldn’t wish serious Excel work on my worst enemy. But I understand someone has to do it, or the nightmare realm could escape the cell borders.
Show threadyabbadabaddon6d ago
LibreOffice can do everything Excel can except for BI, so…
Show threadTja6d ago
I see very little difference, but I am still more used to pacman compared to brew. It’s nice not having to care about hardware, although I haven’t had problems with Linux for the last decade, at least (using desktops and old laptops, I’m sure the new fancy ARM ones are a handful).
Show threadmoseschrute6d ago

Also use Mac for work and personal. But I spend most of my time in neovim and the browser, so tbh I don’t really care what I use. I just like that I can answer texts from my Mac via iMessage. I haven’t tried them, but I think there are some i3 style window managers for macOS. That’s the next thing I would explore if I wanted a more Linux like experience.

I started doing my Xcode builds in CI, so I guess I’m not really tied to Mac anymore. In its current state, I’m more attached to the hardware than the software.

Show threadikidd6d ago
Codemagic? I’ve made some pokes at using that for iOS builds with middling luck.
Show threadmoseschrute6d ago
I’m using Fastlane, which I’m running via GitHub actions triggered by git tag.
Show threadikidd6d ago

I might give that a try, thanks for the reply. Codemagic is a bit complicated though I did seem to get it to work with a git tag increment as well.

Doing anything in that iOS environment is like pulling teeth it seems.

Show threadTja6d ago

There’s an app called “rectangle”, I think it’s even open source, that allows you to tile windows in macos, I’ve been using it since day 1. Not exactly i3, but it does most of what I want so it doesn’t get in the way.

And to be honest on my desktop I’ve been using KDE for years, does enough tiling for my needs (usually just halves/quarters).

Show threadr1veRRR6d ago

Ignoring prices, Mac is definitely the second best option after Linux for Linux-y development flows. None of my issues were huge, but still enough to ask for a Linux laptop for a replacement.

  • Very little customization, compared to Linux. I’m talking horizontal tiling window managers like Niri
  • Docker does not run natively, so you pay a hefty performance penalty with the VM
  • File name case insensitivity caused a bunch of Git issues
    • Show threadTja6d ago
    Fair enough. I do run my docker containers in a real Linux, either homelab or EC2.
    Show threadDr. Moose6d ago
    Windows has a really good shell too but it’s not about terminal. Both macs and windows are pretty awful dev machines.
    Show threadUPGRAYEDD6d ago
    WSL has worked fine for me for the past 4 years.
    Show threadDr. Moose6d ago
    Sure but why waste your privilege on “fine”. If you have the market power as an employee to pick and choose you shouldn’t settle on just fine.
    Show threadUPGRAYEDD6d ago
    I dont mind windows personally(from a usability standpoint, the spyware aspect worries me). And WSL has not caused me any issues in my dev environment.
    Show threadrmrf6d ago
    Not just unix-like, MacOS is UNIX certified,
    Show threadDarkmoon_AU6d ago
    Don’t understand this. I dislike Apple in many ways, but MacOS is an objectively very solid operating system.
    Show threadshane6d ago

    I found macOS difficult to use.

    For example, while you can have multiple desktops, each application lives on one of them. So collecting a browser and some terminals on a desktop and then having a different desktop with a browser for another purpose doesn’t work.

    There are a dozen examples of this, but in the end If your workflow doesn’t match the Apple way, then you are out of luck on macOS. It’s kind of the opposite of KDE. 😆

    Show threadrothaine6d ago

    So collecting a browser and some terminals on a desktop and then having a different desktop with a browser for another purpose doesn’t work.

    Not sure when the last time you used it was, but this works fine. I regularly have 2 desktops for VS Code, 3 with Chrome instances (across multiple monitors), and 2 with Firefox.

    The biggest weakness IMO is that the entire OS is designed around touch gestures. If you want to use a mouse, your experience will just be worse. But even the touch stuff is lacking options, so you have to use third party things like BetterTouchTool.