(Picking up from this thread: https://merveilles.town/@lrhodes/116206321100377847 )

The Noah narrative is particularly patchy. Lots of repeated details, not always consistent with one another. Noah's children are explicitly introduced multiple times. The number of animals brought onto the Ark is explained at least three times, with two versions specifying two of every animal, and one introducing a special "seven pairs" rule for clean animals. We're told twice how old Noah was at the time of the flood. That sort of repetition and variation is often an indication that the editor has pieced together bits from multiple traditions.
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By the way, I've decided to break my public note-taking into separate threads to make it less unwieldy, with CWs for headings, tagged #Bible to make it easier to mute, since I'm aware that the subject matter can be pretty sensitive for some. Apologies if earlier formats were disruptive.
The editorial priorities are good to keep in mind when reading Biblical texts. It seems clear that the person or (more likely) group who put Genesis into its present form was working with a set of relatively diverse materials, likely pulled from several traditions with already permeable borders. For example, we know that Babylonian mythology had its own flood narrative, but the Genesis editors appear to have been working with multiple Israelite traditions, possibly associated with multiple tribes contained in the traditional Israelite polity. So there seems to be some effort, OTOH, to piece together different not-quite-related stories into a single, unified narrative — that's one thing accomplished by the rather tedious genealogies connecting, say, Adam to Noah — and that has to be balanced with an effort to draw in traditions that will tie Israelites together by including the traditions that are important to various cultural subgroups.
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For example, a common motif in traditional myths and legends is the invention of cultural institutions that might otherwise seem timeless. And from the Eden narrative through the Noah narrative, agriculture seems to be invented multiple times, by multiple personalities. Mostly, the editors don't seem too interested in the invention of agriculture, though — they're just drawing in different traditions for their own purposes, and those different invention narratives are embedded in the final text because they were integral to the traditions the editors had at hand.
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Reading the #Bible, you sometimes catch glimpses of traditions that weren't quite central to what the editors were trying to achieve, but that were common enough to the audiences they were writing for that they were worth keeping in, without much explanation. For example: "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days…" Oh. Okay. The Nephilim. And who were they exactly? The Bible doesn't go into it much, and the Nephilim don't really do much of anything in the narrative. The editors were compiling for an audience that would have already known that tradition, and the reference serves to ground the text in the familiar, but not much else. And I think a lot of the difficulties that crop up in trying to understand the Bible can be addressed by starting with the premise that the compilers were trying to produce a text that people would embrace, and thus had to work within the confines of traditions their audience already endorsed. Sometimes, you'll even see them attempting to gloss a tradition that doesn't really fit the direction of a chapter, and it's a good bet that the gloss is there because they couldn't just outright ignore the tradition, for fear of losing their audience.

You can kind of trace the different traditions through the Noah narrative. It seems to start with the rationale that the Lord floods the earth because "the sons of God" are breeding with humans to make them effectively immortal — there's sort of a Greco-Roman vibe here, maybe gleaned from Phoenician contacts.

Then it gives a second reason: Humankind had grown wicked, and the Lord repents of Creation — this is the version most people remember.

Then there's a third version, similar to the second, but I think the wording links this one back to the Eden narrative: "the earth was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon the earth." You can read "earth" here as shorthand for "everything," but I think you could also understand this as a continuation of the theme of humans changing the very nature of the earth. Flesh, which was fashioned out of earth, becomes a conduit for passing corruption back to the earth. The Lord has decided to wipe away the wickedness not just of humanity, but also the wickedness in the earth itself.

Back to the Nephilim and "the heroes that were of old" for a moment: I think what's going on here is that the compilers are dealing with an inconvenient tradition, first by acknowledging it, then by placing it prior to the flood, so that it can be dispensed with. They're saying, "Yes, of course, there were demigods at one point, just as you've always heard, but they were killed before everything we're going to talk about here." Why? Because the editors are focused on a fundamental different theology, one premised on covenants with the Lord. They want to foreclose the possibility that the messiahs who crop up in the rest of their narrative are demigods, and frame them, rather, as upholders of the covenant. The fact that they have to deal with the Nephilim first testifies to the popularity of the tradition that they're expunging via the flood. And, indeed, before the end of the chapter, the Lord promises to establish a covenant with Noah.
@lrhodes I like reading these posts of yours now and then, and now had a theologian friend of mine just look over this and they say you make a lot of good observations, and that you correctly identify what theologians call the documentation hypothesis.
Furthermore, to quote:
"I will add that the documentary hypothesis has lost some ground academically among Old Testament theologians but it was a very popular paradigm for some time. It's not *fully* accepted anymore but it has had deep influence on Old Testament scholarship overall. There is a bit more to the hypothesis than just identifying the different sources, but identifying editorial layers is a big part of how the Old Testament is studied."
@endolexi If they've got recommendations for more up-to-date approaches, I'd be happy to check them out.
@lrhodes "Oh boy. I haven't delved into the recent developments in Old Testament theology enough to know for sure, but I do remember the supplementary hypothesis, which is kind of like a development of the documentary hypothesis. It's not crystal clear that one is "old and bad" and the other is "new and good", there's still ongoing debate as I remember, but the documentary hypothesis is not as ubiquitously dominant as it once was. There is probably a more full explanation on the internet somewhere, but from what I remember the core of the supplementary hypothesis is that sources identified as J (Jahwist) and P (Priestly) were later added to the existing, older material of D (Deuteronomist), with the idea (that I think is relatively common these days?) that D is a more or less independent ancient source, and the theory posits something along the lines of J and P being later additions to the Pentateuch.
I am not explaining it well, but J, P, D, and E (Elohist) are the four traditions that the documentary hypothesis generally identifies.
Doesn't help that I'm a New Testament-oriented theologian 😄"
@endolexi Thanks! Seems like John van Seters is one of the most vocal scholars in favor of a supplementary hypothesis. His main book on the matter is looking pretty difficult to track down, but I've scrounged up access to another of his books and a paper that seems relevant, and I'll read over them soon.
@lrhodes "Excellent!", they say! 😊