🍹Early to RISA 🧉Anon argues on reddit
Fleur_Sometimes you see a wild political take on Lemmy and you open their profile and see them praising Russia and China.
Who praises Russia? I see endless accusations of this, but its always someone misunderstanding opposition to the US and praise for each of it’s enemies.
FizzDoes your instance federate with lemmy.ml and lemmy.grad? You get banned on those instances for doing anything except simp for Russia. Majority of the users there defend all of russia’s actions.
Yes. Are you confusing defending Russia’s actions with having more nuance than attributing all of Russian’s actions to Russians being mustache-twirling villains who do evil for its own sake?
We’re not talking about people praising Russian cuisine, art, and literature. We’re talking about tankies taking Russia’s side on the invasion of Ukraine and parroting Russian propaganda about the war being NATO’s fault and Ukrainians being Nazis.
The war requires Russia, Ukraine, and America to continue. It’d be great if Russia would just stop, but as an American it’s more sensible to oppose my own government’s support.
Ukrainians being Nazis
There are a shitton of nazis in Ukraine tho, there’s also a bunch in Russia.
The war requires Russia, Ukraine, and America to continue.
And if a woman doesn’t want to be raped, that’s easily solved by her simply not having the sex be involuntary. Makes perfect sense.
WW2 would also have been over way sooner if everyone had just surrendered to the Germans and Japanese. I wonder why those fools didn’t just heed your wisdom.
Governments aren’t people, sending more people to die for nationalism is not comparable to submitting to rap what the actual fuck?
This is a lot closer to WWI than WWII.
Oh no. I’m entirely in favor of stopping the war. But stopping it in any way that permits Russia to keep the occupied territory is literally condoning and enabling genocide. Ukraine is fighting to stop that.
“Stopping the war” is possible in many ways, but only one of them doesn’t include at least some genocide.
I don’t believe Russia is committing genocide in the areas they’re occupying. They’ve certainly committed warcrimes, such as executing POWs and targeting infrastructure in Ukraine, but I’ve seen no evidence of genocide directed against the civilian population in occupied areas.
We can also look at demographic data in Sevastopol for example. If there was a genocide, we would expect the average life expectancy and age to decrease.
The previous point still stands though. If Russia is rewarded for being the agressor then they will learn that its the correct path to take. Which is less than ideal
It seems like you ignore points you agree with. This will result in a consensus never being reached, instead having an infinite argument. By adding a “you’re right about x but I still disagree with y” into your messaging it’ll help create an understanding
If Russia is rewarded for being the agressor then they will learn that its the correct path to take
Both Russia and Ukraine lost a generation of young people and Russia was basically kicked out of having any economic relations with Europe. That’s hardly a reward. Nobody outside of the most bloodthirsty US politicians are going to look back at this and say “Yeah that was a great idea”, considering the lines are basically where they were 3 years ago, yet hundreds of thousands more are dead and millions displaced and if there was peace tomorrow, the region is never going to be safe again within our lifetimes, on either side of the border.
It seems like you ignore points you agree with. This will result in a consensus never being reached, instead having an infinite argument. By adding a “you’re right about x but I still disagree with y” into your messaging it’ll help create an understanding
I’ll keep this in mind.
I actually don’t know enough about the state of the war or the interests of the ruling class of Russia to argue my point any further.
Your arguments on the repercussions have made me agree with your points about it not being rewarding for Russia at the current state of events. Nevertheless I wish to bring up the point that the interests of the ruling class may not be aligned with the interests of Russia as a whole.
But as I said at the start I know too little about that topic to reach any form of conclusion about that, so I’ll leave it at a hypothetical possibility.
Cheers!
Both Russia and Ukraine lost a generation of young people and Russia was basically kicked out of having any economic relations with Europe.
Russia got it’s shit kicked in the Chechnya the first time, and then decided to do the exact same thing again, but worse, a few years later.