Media wants us to feel sorry for Israeli soldiers who committed genocide and killed 20 people a day.

Not for the Palestinians who suffered genocide
Not for the Iranian families who lost 170 children
Not for the tens of thousands of orphans in Gaza

They want us to weap for the poor helpless Israeli soldiers who have to live with the trauma of knowing they "just followed orders" to mass murder innocent children like Hind Rajab.

Nah—I hope they enjoy their self made hell in this life & the next

@QasimRashid You should read the article, because they're not saying what you claim they're saying. They're not saying that we should hug an IDF soldier; the clinicians who are being interviewed are saying that this cycle of violence is destroying the psyche of everyone in the region, and that the only logical outcome of this violence will be more violence.

The author and the interviewees are absolutely anti-war, anti-genocide. They see exactly where this all leads.

https://archive.is/aga0E

@Legit_Spaghetti @QasimRashid

The individual regret of genocidal soliders is basically irrevant. They followed the orders to murder innocent people, men, women and children alike. That weight should hang on them for their entire lives, and with any grace, end with them in prison. The fact their goverment pushed them to commit genocide is a form of abuse, and it should be treated with great shame. It still doesnt absolve them of their choice to murder.

Your link looks to have failed so I cant read it, but it seems to be akin to this story from 2024:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241022-israeli-soldiers-commit-suicide-after-seeing-horrors-the-world-can-never-truly-comprehend/

That one is about an armored bulldozer driver that talked about running over hundreds of Palestinians, living and dead, and who evetually killed himself. There is a lot of talk about grief and sadness and plenty of dancing around his murders(maybe he killed someone, maybe some children died....), but it ends with the only revelant sentence:

>Despite the mounting evidence of severe psychological trauma among Israeli soldiers and the devastating personal toll of the genocide in Gaza, recent surveys indicate that only six per cent of Israelis believe that the military operation in the besieged enclave should be halted.

94% of Israels want this to happen. They support it, even as their sons and daughters kill themselves over the heinous acts they have commited. They have no chance of penance and redemption when their entire society clambers for the genocide they commited in its name.

Israeli soldiers commit suicide after seeing horrors the world can never truly comprehend

Israeli soldiers returning from Gaza are reporting severe psychological trauma, with some taking their own lives after witnessing what they describe as horrors that the outside world can never trul…

Middle East Monitor
@liquidlamp it should be very easy to oppose Israel’s war in gaza without being antisemitic, but its obviously a challenge many of you cannot pass.

@vy by all means tell me whats antisemetic about qouting a genocidal soliders own words, and the words of his family, about the murders he commited. Please, tell me whats antisemitism about refrencing a poll that Israels partipated in making their desire to keep killing clear. It is not antisemtic to honestly access that Israel, in its own words and actions, feverently supports the genocide of Palestine.

Being jewish doesnt make them murderers, being murderers makes them murderers.

@liquidlamp well aside from your Orwellian misuse of the word genocide, its very common for armies to commit atrocities and national populations to excuse them- nothing distinctive about Israel except that it is Jews. How many Turks oppose oppression and genocide of Kurds?

@vy so no actual antisemitism, got it.

If your only defense of genocide is "look, other genocide!" its no defense at all.

@liquidlamp im not defending anything. Im criticizing your antisemitism.
@vy @liquidlamp I have trouble understanding your definition of antisemitism.
@phips @liquidlamp What do you think should happen to Israel and Israeli Jews? Many people who use the kind of language @liquidlamp uses actually favor the genocide of Israeli Jews. The nicer ones say "go back to Poland" as if European Jews fled to Israel for no reason and despite the fact that the majority of Israeli Jews come from families that never lived in Europe at all. Sometimes they say Israeli Jews should accept minority status in a single state as if that was not the same thing.
@vy @liquidlamp I can not find any criticism or even mention of Jews or Judaism in the post of @liquidlamp. Can you point me to the kind of language, or to where in the text violence is advocated?
@phips @liquidlamp Will you answer my question?
@vy I believe all people should be able to live in peace and freedom, especially self-determination. Of course that includes Israeli Jews. Governance and representation should follow the approach that is chosen to achieve these personal freedoms. Will you now answer mine?
@phips kind of vague, but I’ll allow it for now. When referring to israel one doesn’t need to explicitly mention Jews just as referring China one doesn’t need to explicitly mention Chinese people.
@liquidlamp @vy Ah, okay. So criticism of the state of Israel is antisemitism in your eyes. Could have said so from the start, and would have saved at least the three of us some time.
@phips @liquidlamp no. That is not what i believe or what I wrote. In fact i am highly critical of the state of israel and its horrific war in Gaza. I also think that bad faith antisemitic criticism of Israel reinforces power of the Israeli right.
@vy @liquidlamp Well then all questions to you, by @liquidlamp and me, are still unanswered.

@phips @liquidlamp in the USA racists often claim to be “color blind”while voicing racist opinions without using obvious markers. Here we have someone who claims Israeli society is intrinsically genocidal but professes that he is not antisemitic.
Actual Israeli opinion is conflicted

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/06/03/views-of-the-potential-for-lasting-peace/

But dehumanizing Israelis as genocidal monsters - on the basis of an article about Israeli soldiers who committed suicide!! Is antisemitic

1. Views of the potential for lasting peace

56% of Israelis say their people are committed to lasting peace, but fewer say this of the Palestinian people or the leaders on either side.

Pew Research Center
@vy @liquidlamp I do not find the part where it is claimed that the Israeli society is intrinsically genocidal. Can you point that part out? I believe that is what we have been asking about.
@vy @liquidlamp No, that is not written there. There are absolutely no intrinsic characteristics ascribed in the post. Maybe some shaky statistics at best. There is a difference between saying a group is doing something, and saying that this is intrinsic. Please read it again. I will go to bed now and check tomorrow.

@phips @vy I appreciate the follow through here. To reiterate your excellent points, I have no issues with jews at all, either as an ethnic group or religion. All people should be treated equally in all things, regardless of race, class, religion, gender or sex. Everyone has the right to choose the path of their own lives.

What i have issues with is a nation that is genociding another, and doing so with a 94% approval rating. That is a horror, and anyone okay with it or making excuses for it is a part of that horror. I wish with all my heart that they would stop this mass murder and extend compassion for the people they have wronged, but i dont see that as a likely outcome.

@liquidlamp @phips Israeli opinion is not static and varies from poll to poll.
https://thejewishindependent.com.au/two-thirds-of-israelis-want-to-end-gaza-war

This is the essentialist core of your argument: you hold tight to that 95% even though it's, at best, a deceptive snapshot. The war in Gaza was deliberately provoked by Hamas, with a unexcusable atrocity in the center of the Israeli peace movement. It was not caused by any urge to commit genocide on the part of Israelis. I'm not excusing the war, I'm challenging your essentialist framing.

Two thirds of Israelis want to end Gaza war

A strong majority of Israelis say the time has come to end the war in Gaza. A survey conducted for the second anniversary of the October 7 attack by the

The Jewish Independent

@vy @phips did you read the article you posted? It reiterates my point:

>Israelis are less concerned about harm to the residents of Gaza with only 2% of Jews surveyed and 17.5% of Arab Israelis surveyed giving this as their reason for why the war should end.

This is a nation that does not at all care about its genocide of the Palenstian people.

I agree that the start of the war was unjust, but the genocidal total war that has uttery destroyed Palestine and its people and seen limitless atrocities commited by Israel is not an apt or justified response. Genocide is not an acceptable reply to an attack on your nation or any nation, but it is one Isreal is still fully behind.

@liquidlamp @phips Is "less concerned" the same as "intent on genocide" in your eyes?

That "genocidal total war" has not appreciably reduced the Palestinian Arab population of the Levant, for some reason. Not yet, anyways. Between Trump, Netanyahu, Hamas, and Iran, there's no limit on ugly consequences.