SmackyroonChina bad tho, right lemmy liberals?
AmnesigenicTell that to your pedophile rulers
I would, but the various factions of the left keep getting hamstrung by memers and zingers who would rather post hot takes and play “more leftist than you” instead of figuring out how to take real action. Meanwhile the right accepted that a pedophile was their path to power and won. You think the right knows, or cares, about the difference between a tankie, a socialist, an anarchist, or a liberal? They don’t give a fuck but our refusal to coordinate or compromise on any strategy to fight back benefits them. We still going to be arguing over commie utopia vs anarchist utopia when we’re stuck next to each other in a boxcar?
Cowbee [he/they]Leftists have regularly been advocating for organizing:
The problem with liberals is that they still think the democrats are a path to progress, rather than slow death.
Spreading memes on the internet is the weakest form of “advocating”, it’s just anonymous virtue signaling to people you’ll never meet or coordinate with for the satisfaction of an upvote. Advocacy means nothing if all it never amounts to action in person. China glazers would rather black and white, this or that authoritarianism and anything less is “liberalism”.
Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, 3%ers, boogaloos, the KKK, and all the rest of the right-wing memers managed to get their shift together and stormed the Capitol to little resistance or consequence, then got jobs murdering the opposition in the streets. Meanwhile Democrats vainly hope it can be voted back to the back and forth bargaining of progress as a reward for peacefully protesting once all permits are secured and so long as everyone only uses words. The far left lets it happen because instead of connecting and planning they bounce back and forth between attacking one another and “advocating” for unity.
When’s the last time you had a realistic discussion of strategy with hot take tankies online vs the last time you had one with a leftist or liberal in real life? The anonymous memes and the China dick-riding are as useful to the fascists as their own propaganda. If it isn’t about finding common ground it’s about further dividing what is already a minority of people who might be willing to take real action if they could unite.
Your entire argument is based on the idea that shitposting online is the primary means by which leftists organize. I organize with a communist party in real life, online memes and shitposting are by no means what people advocate as “practice,” it’s just a thing to do in free time. Take a step back and rethink what you believe is going on.
If you only organize with in real life are other communists and use the global reach of the internet to spread and defend shitposts that serve only to elevate your tribal worldview over that of other leftists, you’re not organizing the “left” in the face of a united right that’s going to grind us all under. You use your free time to shitpost, I use mine to point out why shitposts and the subsequent arguments they start among otherwise likeminded individuals are detrimental. Your entire argument is based on the idea shitposting has any purpose other than to post shit.
What on Earth are you talking about? All real communist orgs use online agitation, newsletters, social media, and more. I’m not saying that shitposting is valuable, I’m saying it’s not what I mean by practice. You’re deeply confused.
Who exactly are you trying to agitate? The right? They are agitated by the mere existence of anything but themselves and are currently mass incarcerating, murdering in the streets, and bombing the shit out of those who they think agitate them.
As far as among leftists, I’d remind you that commies don’t have sole claim to “the left”. There’s plenty of anarchists and socialists just as left as you but opposed to Chinese style bureaucracy and authoritarian structures. But I’d say in the face of Christian nationalism since all of our ideals are in the minority and facing political extermination because we’re all classified as terrorists these days, perhaps we should put arguing over our utopian differences and focus on what we have in common. Your agitation posts stir the wrong pot because anytime someone disagrees with you it’s “pedo”, “liberal”, or the dismissive “anarchy is for Hot Topic”.
Imagine if all the free time spent making commie shitposts for the purpose of agitating an enemy that doesn’t know (or care) about the differences between leftists and liberals and commies and anarchists was used to encourage solidarity between anti-fascists on what we do agree on rather than revert to political tribalism.
QinShiHuangsShlongIt’s idiotic to suggest you stop debating. Theory isn’t optional. It’s the framework that separates effective action from performative gesture. You want to bypass clarification for the sake of “unity,” but that’s precisely how movements get absorbed, diverted, or broken. Action without theory isn’t courage it’s idiocy. And your theory contradicts itself: you call for a broad front while dismissing the most successful actually-existing socialist project that has lifted the most people from poverty, challenged imperialist containment most effectively, and created the most material space for the Global South. It’s incoherent nonsense. Also side note, but every single even semi successful revolution has been some flavour of Marxist Leninist, this clearly isn’t a fluke or luck.
You’re correct that shitposting alone achieves little. But a coalition that includes those who uphold the imperialist state achieves less. The Chinese revolution for example didn’t succeed by treating all anti-Japanese forces as equals. It succeeded by applying a materialist analysis to the principal contradiction at each stage, coordinating tactically when interests aligned, and never surrendering political independence. Unity isn’t an abstract good, it’s a conditional tool. Its value depends on clarity about objectives, adversaries, and the balance of forces.
So debate continues. Not for its own sake, but because sharpening theory is how you avoid repeating errors, co-optation, and strategic dead ends. You should organize with those who share a material commitment to dismantling imperialism, not just those who oppose fascism in the abstract. That isn’t sectarianism, it’s the precision necessary to build something successful.