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CONFIRMED: SNCF's Alstom built TGV-M Avelia Horizon trains ARE too big for some Italian railway lines

All explained here 👇
https://jonworth.eu/confirmed-sncfs-alstom-built-tgv-m-avelia-horizon-trains-are-too-large-for-some-italian-rail-lines/

Thanks @bovine3dom for the help understanding this!

Confirmed: SNCF's Alstom built TGV-M Avelia Horizon trains are too large for some Italian rail lines

When Les Echos and BFM reported that SNCF's TGV-M trains (branded Avelia Horizon by their manufacturer Alstom) were too tall for Italian tunnels I could scarcely believe it. This news came in the same week as SNCF received some good news that they can get a package of guaranteed high

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Quixoticgeek Mar 14

@jon so SNCF are fine with competing in other countries, but don't want companies from those countries trying to do the same in France ?

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Dr. Sobek Mar 14

@quixoticgeek @jon I think the whole going into Italy is a reply to Trenitalia being in France.

Though, I'll also say that neither company are playing fair. (Trenitalia is getting lower track use fees, and currently still running a loss, while SNCF abuses its dominant position on ticketing to try and make trenitalia invisible to customers).

And the lack of decent passenger rights regulations are not helping.

(The whole passenger right regulations are not designed for trips including different operators)

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Jon Worth Mar 14

@Sobex @quixoticgeek Although I am more sympathetic to Trenitalia here than I am to SNCF, in that Trenitalia have had to face Italo for a decade, and they actually run nice trains and don't seem to hate passengers!

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Dr. Sobek

@jon @quixoticgeek That's fair.

And Trenitalia could have handled my little brother broken connection from a TER in a less stressful way, but they handled it alright in the end.

(TER was delayed by an hour due to a previous TER being on fire, he missed his Frecce out of Marseilles to Paris, and the train manager of the next train checked he had a free seat and allowed him on board (though the whole mandatory reservation thing seems to have been copied over from SNCF nonsense, and the lack of any way of sorting this before the next train was in marseilles station was seriously fucked up)).