Iranian lawmaker says Ukraine's drone support makes it a legitimate war target

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Iranian lawmaker says Ukraine's drone support makes it a legitimate war target - Lemmy

The head of Iran’s parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy said that by providing drone support to Israel, Ukraine has “effectively become involved in the war.” Zelenskyy earlier stated that Kyiv has already deployed interceptor drones and a team of specialists to help protect US military bases in Jordan.

Oh, I bet it will go swimmingly for Iran to attack Ukraine. Don’t they have all their oil infrstructure concentrated on one island? Ukraine has been very effective in hitting Russian oil facilities.

No, they have massive storage in one ityy bitty island that could very easily be turned into a huge ecological disaster

Iran has been planning this war for decades… They’d have to be total fools to think it wouldn’t be a target. And if you know where the enemy will strike and all that

Well, for one, Russia also had years, and did in fact take years, to plan the invasion in Ukraine. That didn’t turn out too great. And secondly, no matter how good your plan is, if all of your oil export infrastructure is that concentrated, it is at risk.

Is it as concentrated as it appears? It’s basic art of war stuff, appear weak where you are strong and strong where you’re weak

The island is basically a bomb. It’s an enormous oil depot, with millions of barrels, not processing. It would hurt Iranian exports for sure, but if they’re not idiots they’d have contingencies so they could spend the island strategically

Russia failed because they mistook a hard target for a soft one and let their military be rotted by corruption… Their plan looked fine on paper

"Russia failed by winning the war too slowly"

  • people succeeding by losing wars

It all makes sense…

Are you stupid? Russia lost because they kicked a snowball that turned out to be a rock.

Russia failed because they mistook a hard target for a soft one and let their military be rotted by corruption… Their plan looked fine on paper

I don’t know what the fuck you read, but it wasn’t my post

Right, like you said, Russia lost by winning too slowly. Maybe Ukraine can still win by surrendering quickly. It’s all coming together baby!!!
You must struggle a lot in life, so let’s just say you won this one. Good job, sport

If it is any comfort, you will certainly believe it without any evidence, and who am I to interfere with your efforts to divine the world’s affairs? Russia lost the war already, and I’m a disenfranchised bum. Unrelated:

Do you even know what you’re trying to say? Because I sure as hell have no idea what your positions are, you haven’t made them. I made mine, and if you could read you’d probably agree with them

Also I do know you’re using two accounts, because the votes are too even and no second person on earth has any idea what you’re on about

Vote manipulating is stupid behavior since people can just turn them off, sort by new, and mods can see it, plus I don’t like making other people have meltdowns, which is the objective of dogpiling… I like swapping information tit-for-tat online but if it doesn’t work it’s time for goofs. Been trying to catch people at random in the hopes they don’t do this. I think reddit is just too much for some people. The point is that the country you are referring to as having lost the war is on the offensive, and I often post at work in defiance of the laws of gods and men. Can you at least try to be on topic instead of speculating about other people’s lives? Like I could probably report it but again I’m #notlikethat

If Russia is currently on the offensive, why have they been losing ground for the last month? They have lost about 10% of all their 2025 gains in the last month.

aljazeera.com/…/ukraine-records-first-territorial…

Ukraine has now liberated nearly all of Dnipropetrovsk, great success!

Ukraine records first territorial gains since 2023 amid Russian army woes

As Kyiv liberates parts of Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhia, Zelenskyy says Russia losing up to 35,000 soldiers a month.

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Almost like you guys completely fail to understand that it is indeed possible to lose by “winning too slowly”. War is expensive and the longer it goes on the more it is crippling Russia’s economy.

If you are paying attention to this war as we enter its 5th year, Russia’s front line isn’t doing too well at the minute, especially so since Russia’s starlink access and messaging services have been cut off. Russia is currently moving troops around to try and plug holes in their leaky front line.

Almost like you guys need to start engaging with reality

Russian economy is booming according to the World Bank which reclassified Russia as a high income country …worldbank.org/…/world-bank-country-classificatio…

Meanwhile, the IMF forecasts that Russian economy is set to grow faster than all the western economies cnbc.com/…/russia-forecast-to-grow-faster-than-ad…

It’s almost like you don’t understand that the western fascists lost the war of attrition against Russia.

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Dude, both of those articles you linked are 2 years old now. 2 years might as well be 2 decades in terms of how quickly things change when a country is at war. You are seriously trying to sell me an article about Russia’s GDP growth in 2024 in 2026. You need to refresh your propaganda home screen comrade.

I love your definitive statement at the end to wrap it all up. It’s like you’ve been in a coma for the last 2 years.

It’s almost like you don’t understand that the western fascists lost the war of attrition against Russia.

Cute…

Now let’s talk about Russia’s current leaky front line that is happening right now in 2026. Or how about how Ukraine seems to be taking out an air defense system every day now. It’s starting to look really bad for Russia out there, beginning of the end hopefully.

Feel free to show that anything is different today. Meanwhile, given what’s happening with energy prices even the dimmest libs should be able to realize Russian economy is going to get a boost this year.

Meanwhile, why would we talk about imaginary things that are only happening in your head?

Instead, we can talk about how European economies are collapsing.

Feel free to show that anything is different today

Easy, economic growth dropped from 4.3% in 2024 to 1% in 2025. This is all the more significant because the 2024 GDP was primarily fueled by spending from Russia’s now almost depleted sovereign wealth fund. There are no long term economic benefits to spending your wealth on things that blow up. Now the money is gone, $600 billion wasted on this war, not to mention all of the lost economic benefits when Russia chose to cut itself off from the richest half of the world, genius level move here. The Russian public are still enjoying persistent high inflation and high interest rates with businesses closing at an ever increasing rate as Russian banks struggle with the black hole these defaults are causing their balance sheets.

Meanwhile, given what’s happening with energy prices even the dimmest libs should be able to realize Russian economy is going to get a boost this year.

Russia’s economy has taken a pounding recently with oil prices barely covering the coat to extract, transport and discount. Even with the current high oil prices Russia are still losing money daily, this will just extend Russia’s pain and delays the inevitable. I thought dim libs were on the Russian side here, the typical low IQ tankie crowd who use similar talking points to yourself.

Meanwhile, why would we talk about imaginary things that are only happening in your head?

You clearly aren’t paying attention to the conflict if you don’t understand the trouble Russia is currently in. I follow the Russian milibloggers closely as they actually understand what is going on and they are all going crazy right now. You should probably have a look.

That’s a cool story bro, too bad it falls apart under even the barest scrutiny. First of all, Russian military spending is around 8% of the GDP. Anybody who didn’t fail math at school would quickly realize that it can’t be the major driver of the economy. Not only that, but being cut off from the west actually stimulated domestic industry revitalizing Russian rust belt. And of course, Russia is a major commodity exporter, the demand for these commodities hasn’t magically evaporated. So, none of the factors that were leading to growth of Russian economy in 2024 have changed today.

And of course, there’s the elephant in the room which is China. Much of the trade Russia lost with the west has been replaced in the east, largely by China. Anybody with a functioning brain understands that Russia losing the war would be a disastrous outcome for China, and hence if Russia was ever in genuine trouble, then China would simply invest in Russia further to stabilize the economy.

Russia cutting itself off from parasitic west has actually been a great move because now Russia trade with friendly countries, and domestic industry in Russia is finally developing.

Russia’s economy has taken a pounding recently with oil prices barely covering the coat to extract, transport and discount.

Things that definitely happened in the real world and not in your deranged fantasies. 🤣

Russia are still losing money daily

[citation needed]

I follow the Russian milibloggers closely as they actually understand what is going on and they are all going crazy right now

I base my opinions on geopolitics and economics on telegram channels, I’m very intelligent.

Meanwhile, here’s what you probably should have a look at. This is what an actual collapsing economy that’s overinvested in a war looks like

Maybe stick to subjects you actually have clue on, assuming such subjects actually exist, little dronie.

First of all, Russian military spending is around 8% of the GDP. Anybody who didn’t fail math at school would quickly realize that it can’t be the major driver of the economy.

Russian military spending currently accounts for over 40% of all russian government spending. Anybody that didn’t fail economics at school would realise that the war is the major driver of the Russian economy. This government spending is also the major driver of Russian inflation. It also sounds as though you are unaware of what is being referred to as Russia’s “hidden war debt”. Russia has been using commercial bank loans to defence companies to finance the war. This almost doubles the official on the books war spend. …substack.com/…/russias-hidden-war-debt

Thank you for another article from a year ago on how great Russia’s economy was doing 12 months ago, do you have anything more recent?

So, none of the factors that were leading to growth of Russian economy in 2024 have changed today.

Then explain to me why all of Russia’s growth has evaporated. Someone’s either lying or doesn’t understand…

China only cares about China, they are not Russia’s buddy. They do see Russia as a useful idiot in helping them to weaken the west, same way the USA views Ukraine I suppose. Win or lose Russia is now China’s vassal, look at you acting like China is some kind of trump card. Russia was allowed to trade with China before the war too you know, they just chose not to because it is more profitable when you have a large variety of customers. Now Russia just has one large customer who can dictate the terms to Russia as we are seeing play out in the pipeline negotiations.

Russia cutting itself off from parasitic west has actually been a great move because now Russia trade with friendly countries, and domestic industry in Russia is finally developing.

More delusion with no basis in reality, as if cutting yourself off from the richest half of the world will somehow help economically. Lol.

Russia’s economy has taken a pounding recently with oil prices barely covering the coat to extract, transport and discount.

Things that definitely happened in the real world and not in your deranged fantasies. 🤣

Russia are still losing money daily

[citation needed]

You do realise that Russia recorded an official deficit of 2.6% of GDP in 2025 right? That is called losing money Einstein, guess what the prediction for 2026 will be?

I base my opinions on geopolitics and economics on telegram channels, I’m very intelligent.

If you have been following this conflict at all you would be aware that the Russian milibloggers have been the best source of information on how the war is actually going for Russia. You can stick to the Russian state narrative as the victories get closer and closer to Moscow. Russia aren’t just winning slowly, they actively lost about 10% of all 2025s gains in the last month.

aljazeera.com/…/ukraine-records-first-territorial…

Don’t worry about us here in Europe, we will survive on our hamster meat. Quite delicious once you get used to it. The EU grew by 1.5% in 2025, that was better than Russia for all your doomer articles.

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Anybody that didn’t fail economics at school would realise that the war is the major driver of the Russian economy.

When you’re too dumb to tell the difference between government spending and the overall economy. 🤣

It also sounds as though you are unaware of what is being referred to as Russia’s “hidden war debt”. Russia has been using commercial bank loans to defence companies to finance the war.

Oh man, wait till you find out about the scale of military spending in the US.

Then explain to me why all of Russia’s growth has evaporated. Someone’s either lying or doesn’t understand…

It hasn’t evaporated, nobody expected Russia to keep growing at 4% a year. Growth has slowed, but it’s slowed in the west as well. Last I looked growth in Europe is worse than in Russia, and nobody even knows wtf is going on in the US because they’re cooking their numbers. Anybody who isn’t lying would obviously mention this fact.

China only cares about China, they are not Russia’s buddy.

Yeah, China cares about China and Russia collapsing would mean the west surrounding China with puppets states on its western border as RAND explained in detail is the whole strategy in Ukraine. Anybody who has a functioning brain would understand why China would not want Russia to collapse economically. But here we are.

Now Russia just has one large customer who can dictate the terms to Russia as we are seeing play out in the pipeline negotiations.

One large customer being all of BRICS. At least put more work into your narrative not to make your lies so obvious. For example, there’s this little country called India, go look it up. 🤣

More delusion with no basis in reality, as if cutting yourself off from the richest half of the world will somehow help economically. Lol.

Amazing counterpoint dronie.

You do realise that Russia recorded an official deficit of 2.6% of GDP in 2025 right? That is called losing money Einstein, guess what the prediction for 2026 will be?

Oh wow, official deficit of 2.6% of GDP. That sounds terrible!! Remind me what that’s like for western countries again Einstein. 🤡

If you have been following this conflict at all you would be aware that the Russian milibloggers have been the best source of information on how the war is actually going for Russia

If you have been following this conflict at all then you would be aware that Russian milibloggers are the biggest drama queens around. The fact that you take everything they write uncritically shows that you’re utterly incapable of critical thinking.

Russia aren’t just winning slowly, they actively lost about 10% of all 2025s gains in the last month.

Oh you’re seriously dumb enough to think war of attrition is about territorial gains. 🤣

Don’t worry about us here in Europe, we will survive on our hamster meat. Quite delicious once you get used to it. The EU grew by 1.5% in 2025, that was better than Russia for all your doomer articles.

The EU is on the verge of economic collapse, but hey let’s ignore all the mainstream western media. The dronie here has good vibes. 🤣

You’re the most coddled people on this planet. You’ve never known any real hardship since the end of the second world war. Meanwhile, Russians survived the 90s and are still here. If you think you’ll outlast Russians when it comes to hardship, prepare to be very surprised in the near future.

When you’re too dumb to tell the difference between government spending and the overall economy.

The government are the biggest spenders in the economy, 40% of government spending going on war is a significant economic driver. If you do not understand this simple fact your teachers and parents should be ashamed of you. This is before we get into the off the books spending on the war, commercial banks being forced to lend to defencs companies that is unlikely to be repaid. This would double Russia’s war spend to closer to the 15% of GDP that brought down the soviet union. I don’t care about the USA and hope they go bust just like Russia.

Last I looked growth in Europe is worse than in Russia

Incorrect again, Russian growth 2025 was 1%, the EU which is 10 times the size of Russia’s economy grew at 1.5% despite further weaning off cheap Russian oil.

and nobody even knows wtf is going on in the US because they’re cooking their numbers. Anybody who isn’t lying would obviously mention this fact.

Hilarious hypocrisy coming from a Russian supporter. Russia has not released their real financials since the war began, we can only estimate from the limited data we have because they are obscuring the real situation. The USA has always had the most detailed published financial figures, this transparency is a reason they have the biggest economy. Under trump they have started hiding the jobs figures but not much else.

Anybody who isn’t lying would obviously mention this fact.

Then why didn’t you mention Russian obfuscation? By your own standards you must by lying then!

Anybody who has a functioning brain would understand why China would not want Russia to collapse economically.

I can’t believe you are quoting Rand, the dumbest of all the think-tanks. Do a little bit of research on them before using them as a source, makes you look quite uneducated. Rand and yourself clearly do not understand China’s goals and motivations. I fortunately have Chinese family and a foot in that world so I can educate you. China thinks Russia was stupid to start the war with Europe especially since they left 300 billion in EU control when going to war with them. Without China’s support Russia would have lost the war a long time ago. China is giving Russia enough support to keep going but not enough to win the war. A long war causes more damage to Russia and pushes them deeper under China’s thumb as a vassal state. China still wants Manchuria back, look at how few Russians live in the area and how many Chinese live both over the border and over the Russian side. What is to stop China taking the land to protect the ethnic Chinese living there? This process has already begun.

One large customer being all of BRICS

Brics is a Mickey mouse organisation, how much oil has India bought from Russia since the secondary sanctions kicked in recently? India are exploring the cheap Russian oil when it suits them and making bank off Russia’s resources. They then leave Russia high and dry when the going gets tough, great friends!

Oh wow, official deficit of 2.6% of GDP. That sounds terrible!! Remind me what that’s like for western countries again Einstein

It’s like talking to a small child who doesn’t understand, the emojis really add to this impression. Western countries can borrow to fund deficits, nobody has been willing to lend to Russia since the war started despite Russia offering huge returns. Russia needs to find deficits from its rapidly diminishing sovereign wealth fund. Even China will not lend to Russia as the anticipated a default.

If you have been following this conflict at all then you would be aware that Russian milibloggers are the biggest drama queens around.

They have given us the only view inside the Russian war machine other than the state narrative. You can believe the state of you like or vibes or whatever, I will continue to trust the best source of inside information we have, typically from the troops themselves.

There is no war in Ba Sing Se, keep feeding me delicious propaganda daddy Putin, eat it up good, yum yum. Let’s talk about the mobile internet blackouts in Moscow the last 2 weeks, this does not sound like winning to me. Sounds like daddy Putin is afraid of a coup.

You can continue to enjoy the hardship you are so great at tolerating. Life in Europe has not changed one bit, nobody even talks about the war in Ukraine, not now, barely even in 2022. It’s big news for you guys though as you endure hardships that we don’t even notice. Martyrs for nothing, lol.

Incorrect again, Russian growth 2025 was 1%, the EU which is 10 times the size of Russia’s economy grew at 1.5% despite further weaning off cheap Russian oil.

What you clearly seem to be missing is that the quality of the economy that matters. In Russia, the economy consists of actual industry and material production. While EU economy is largely bullshit jobs like the service industry. That’s how Russia producing a year’s worth of NATO ammunition in three months. This is the same idiocy propagandists were parroting claiming that the size of Russian economy was same as Italy. You should learn what GDP actually measures before making a clown of yourself in public.

Hilarious hypocrisy coming from a Russian supporter. Russia has not released their real financials since the war began, we can only estimate from the limited data we have because they are obscuring the real situation. The USA has always had the most detailed published financial figures, this transparency is a reason they have the biggest economy. Under trump they have started hiding the jobs figures but not much else.

We can see Russia’s output in concrete numbers of trade and military production. And the fact that Russian industrial output is outpacing all of NATO says all we need to know here. We can also see the trade numbers with countries like China and India which keep growing.

Then why didn’t you mention Russian obfuscation? By your own standards you must by lying then!

Hilarious of you to clutch your pearls after outright dismissing western media showing how European economies are collapsing as fear mongering.

I can’t believe you are quoting Rand, the dumbest of all the think-tanks. Do a little bit of research on them before using them as a source, makes you look quite uneducated.

RAND consistently represents the US government motivations dronie. Nobody was saying that it represents China’s motivations, you just have poor reading comprehension. It’s not just RAND of course. Mainstream US media has been very open about the goals nationalinterest.org/…/strategy-avoiding-two-fron…

Without China’s support Russia would have lost the war a long time ago. China is giving Russia enough support to keep going but not enough to win the war. A long war causes more damage to Russia and pushes them deeper under China’s thumb as a vassal state.

LMAO this is what we call projection because it’s precisely what’s happening to Europe right now. Having been cut off from Russian energy, Europeans are entirely dependent on the US now. And being vassals themselves can’t help but imagine the same situation happening with Russia and China. Absolutely fucking hilarious.

Brics is a Mickey mouse organisation, how much oil has India bought from Russia since the secondary sanctions kicked in recently?

Cope harder!

India are exploring the cheap Russian oil when it suits them and making bank off Russia’s resources. They then leave Russia high and dry when the going gets tough, great friends!

Amazing things are happening in the fantasy world you inhabit.

Western countries can borrow to fund deficits, nobody has been willing to lend to Russia since the war started despite Russia offering huge returns. Russia needs to find deficits from its rapidly diminishing sovereign wealth fund. Even China will not lend to Russia as the anticipated a default.

It’s like talking to a small child who doesn’t understand, the baseless claims really add to this impression. You don’t even understand how fiat currencies work. Russia can do the exact same type of money printing the west does. They simply haven’t had a reason to do that so far. Nobody with a working brain anticipates any Russian default. I love how you just make up stuff and expect people to take it seriously.

They have given us the only view inside the Russian war machine other than the state narrative. You can believe the state of you like or vibes or whatever, I will continue to trust the best source of inside information we have, typically from the troops themselves.

And they’re constantly proven to be wrong, but hey why look at what’s actually happening in the war when you can just cherry pick information that feeds into your delusions right?

You can continue to enjoy the hardship you are so great at tolerating. Life in Europe has not changed one bit, nobody even talks about the war in Ukraine, not now, barely even in 2022. It’s big news for you guys though as you endure hardships that we don’t even notice. Martyrs for nothing, lol.

Stay smug little fash, life’s about to get real hard for you and I’m here for it.

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What you clearly seem to be missing is that the quality of the economy that matters. In Russia, the economy consists of actual industry and material production.

Tripping over your own shoe laces right out of the fat once again, impressive. The EU has a much larger and more diverse manufacturing sector both in raw size and as a percentage of GDP. Remember the EU economy is 10 times the size of Russia’s, the EUs manufacturing output alone is larger than the Russian economy. Russia’s manufacturing sector has increased since the war, this is largely military industrial output. Russian manufacturing has also faced a severe manpower shortage lately for some reason. Russia is a resource mining and export economy, a “gas station” if you will.

And the fact that Russian industrial output is outpacing all of NATO says all we need to know here.

I am sure you mean military industrial output because overall industrial output we have seen is not bigger. Have you ever thought that maybe Russias military industrial output is bigger because they are at war and NATO are not? Are you actually for real?

Trade numbers with India and China has naturally gone up as Russia is a commodity exporter and their previous largest customers don’t want to do business any more so Russia has picked the next best option.

Hilarious of you to clutch your pearls after outright dismissing western media showing how European economies are collapsing as fear mongering.

What you call pearl clutching I call reality. It is a fact that Russia is not releasing all of their financial information, this is not a secret. Since 2022, Russia has systematically restricted access to key statistics, removing over 168 tables from statistical yearbooks and halting updates to over 115 indicators on the EMISS system. Hidden data includes detailed household incomes, budgetary expenditures, state salaries, and trade figures, aiming to conceal the war’s true economic impact.

I have not seen any evidence of “European economies collapsing”. Many would say they have weathered the storm of losing the untrustworthy supplier they developed an overdependence on quite well.

RAND consistently represents the US government motivations dronie

No, it is a right wing think tank that is famous for being consistently incorrect from its mistakes in getting America to go to war in Vietnam and then to prolong it all the way up to the Iraq war. Rand represents the view points of its biggest doners and no credible person should take them seriously due to their track record. Look it up for yourself dronie.

LMAO this is what we call projection because it’s precisely what’s happening to Europe right now.

Not projection, you are correct about European position under the USA and it has been this way since WW2. Russia used to be sovereign, it is no longer, now it is completely dependent on China the way Europe is on the USA. How does it feel to be the proxy?

. Russia can do the exact same type of money printing the west does. They simply haven’t had a reason to do that so far. Nobody with a working brain anticipates any Russian default

There is a difference between borrowing on the bond market and printing money. Your response makes it sound like you don’t understand this. You also don’t seem to be aware that the Russian money machine has been going brrrr since COVID,they have been printing money like crazy! tradingeconomics.com/russia/money-supply-m2

Russia has been trying and failing to raise money on the bond markets since the war started, still no takers because everybody believes Russia will default like they always do. This is not secret information, it has been widely reported on.

And they’re constantly proven to be wrong, but hey why look at what’s actually happening in the war when you can just cherry pick information that feeds into your delusions right?

The milibloggers getting info from the front lines? Individuals have been wrong, but when they are all talking about front line collapse, inability to counter drones and lack of communications all at once you should start to believe. Where do you get your information from? I would love to know what source you have more reliable than the Russian milibloggers.

Stay smug little fash, life’s about to get real hard for you and I’m here for it.

Somehow I doubt it. I love in Ireland, we are cool here. My biggest problem at the moment is that I have to wait 6 weeks for my new giant sliding doors to be imported from Barcelona. First world problems, I know. I appreciate your sympathy but you should really spend it on someone more deserving.

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The EU has a much larger and more diverse manufacturing sector both in raw size and as a percentage of GDP.

Absolutely hilarious how you continue to claim this even after I’ve already linked you a bunch of articles showing that industry in the EU is collapsing. My favorite part about your low effort trolling is how you never provide any links to support your bombastic claims.

Russia’s manufacturing sector has increased since the war, this is largely military industrial output. Russian manufacturing has also faced a severe manpower shortage lately for some reason. Russia is a resource mining and export economy, a “gas station” if you will.

It’s not, I’ve already linked you an article explaining this. All the industrial niches that were left by western companies leaving were naturally filled in by domestic companies. All the assets, such as factories you idiots left, were taken over by Russian companies.

Have you ever thought that maybe Russias military industrial output is bigger because they are at war and NATO are not? Are you actually for real?

Oh hey, why can’t NATO ramp up its own output numbnuts? Dumbfuck western politicians kept claiming this would happen, and yet you losers are simply unable to do that.

Trade numbers with India and China has naturally gone up as Russia is a commodity exporter and their previous largest customers don’t want to do business any more so Russia has picked the next best option.

Oh dummy now admits that Russia had no problem diverting its exports to countries outside the west, which incidentally directly hurts western economies. You imbeciles are directly competing with China and India and their input costs are now lower. That’s part of the reason your economies are collapsing.

What you call pearl clutching I call reality.

The reality is that you’re a liar, and I’m simply pointing out how you have zero consistency.

I have not seen any evidence of “European economies collapsing”. Many would say they have weathered the storm of losing the untrustworthy supplier they developed an overdependence on quite well.

Literally did see it from mainstream western sources I linked in this very thread, and then proceeded to say you don’t believe it.

Rand represents the view points of its biggest doners and no credible person should take them seriously due to their track record. Look it up for yourself dronie.

You keep telling yourself that child.

Not projection, you are correct about European position under the USA and it has been this way since WW2. Russia used to be sovereign, it is no longer, now it is completely dependent on China the way Europe is on the USA. How does it feel to be the proxy?

Europeans are chortling American balls right now, and when the orange man says jump you lot say how high. You’re an expendable proxy for Americans. Meanwhile, Russia is very obviously not dependent on China the way you are dependent on the US because Russia produces its own necessities such as food and energy. And having energy production is what’s required for having functional domestic industry.

There is a difference between borrowing on the bond market and printing money.

On tiny problem for the west, and especially the US which Eurotrash is entirely dependent on, is that relying on bond markets to borrow trillions works great until it doesn’t. When the government sucks up all the available capital by selling debt it crowds out private businesses that cant get loans to expand which means the economy stagnates while government spending keeps demand high creating that stagflation scenario where nothing grows but prices still go up. Investors start looking at 36 trillion in debt and get nervous if they ever demand higher interest rates to compensate for the risk suddenly the government is spending way more just to service the debt and those higher rates trickle down to mortgages car loans and credit cards for regular people. And if confidence really cracks the currency weakens making everything you import more expensive which is just another flavor of inflation hitting everyone at the grocery store. So the west is basically walking a tightrope where the very thing keeping us afloat today massive borrowing could be the thing that drags us down tomorrow.

You also don’t seem to be aware that the Russian money machine has been going brrrr since COVID,they have been printing money like crazy! tradingeconomics.com/russia/money-supply-m2

That’s cute, now compare that with the US.

Russia has been trying and failing to raise money on the bond markets since the war started, still no takers because everybody believes Russia will default like they always do. This is not secret information, it has been widely reported on.

Meanwhile, in the real world www.globaltimes.cn/page/202512/1349491.shtml

The milibloggers getting info from the front lines? Individuals have been wrong, but when they are all talking about front line collapse, inability to counter drones and lack of communications all at once you should start to believe. Where do you get your information from? I would love to know what source you have more reliable than the Russian milibloggers.

I get my information from mainstream western media which, if you actually follow it, clearly explains that Russia is steadily making progress in Ukraine, that western support is fading, and that Ukraine is steadily collapsing both militarily and economically. But you keep cherry picking what your favorite milibloggers are writing because you find it oh so comforting.

Somehow I doubt it.

And that’s precisely what it’s gonna be hilarious when reality hits you in your smug mug.

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Absolutely hilarious how you continue to claim this even after I’ve already linked you a bunch of articles showing that industry in the EU is collapsing

You show me some doomer articles from right wing press like they are a slam dunk while I base my figures on actual GDP figures and statistics based on the EUs and Russia’s published financial reports. These two things are not the same, I have not seen any real evidence of EU industry collapsing, you are just a massive drama queen who believes every article they read.

Russia has also not replaced EU companies with domestic industry, they have switched to Chinese products further increasing their dependency on China.

NATO is increasing its weapon output but we are not under pressure to do so as we are not at war. Russia meanwhile drives ladas to the front line with no care for protecting their troops while Ukraine uses MRAPS. For all of Russia’s supposed increase in production it is not evident on the front lines. More Russian fluff and lies.

Russia is very obviously not dependent on China the way you are dependent on the US because Russia produces its own necessities such as food and energy

Russia’s dependency on China is existential, for the war effort and Putin regime anyway. If China withdrew support tomorrow, the Russian war effort would collapse. Russia is not an industrial or manufacturing power and could in no way support their war effort without China. Food and energy are not the only things an army needs.

That’s cute, now compare that with the US.

Always with the whataboutery with you guys isn’t it.

Meanwhile, in the real world

Further emphasising Russia’s dependence on China and vassal status.

I get my information from mainstream western media which, if you actually follow it, clearly explains that Russia is steadily making progress in Ukraine,

This explains why you think the way you do. If that is where you get your information you are weeks behind and are likely unaware of Ukraine’s recent improvements in drone range and tactics that are destroying Russian logistics. Ukraine are the ones taking land now as Russia attempts to recruit more Kenyan mercenaries. Why does the Russian regime keep on turning off the internet in Moscow? This doesn’t sound like something the winning side would be doing. Putin seems worried…

You show me some doomer articles from right wing press like they are a slam dunk while I base my figures on actual GDP figures and statistics based on the EUs and Russia’s published financial reports. These two things are not the same, I have not seen any real evidence of EU industry collapsing, you are just a massive drama queen who believes every article they read.

I showed you articles from mainstream financial publications. You dismiss them without addressing anything they say, and then in the next breath tell me that Russian economy is collapsing because some telegram channel told you so. The fact that you don’t understand this is clown behavior is really phenomenal.

Russia has also not replaced EU companies with domestic industry, they have switched to Chinese products further increasing their dependency on China.

Yes they have, and you’d know this if you actually bothered reading the WaPo article I linked you earlier. You’re once again projecting here because it’s actually the EU that’s further increasing its dependency on the US as European industries flee to the US due to high energy costs in Europe. That’s what Biden’s Inflation Act was all about incidentally. Trump’s tariffs, which EU bent over for immediately, only made the whole thing worse.

NATO is increasing its weapon output but we are not under pressure to do so as we are not at war.

Literally every article in mainstream western media says that NATO is failing to increase its output, and obviously it is in a proxy war in Russia. The only reason Ukraine is able to keep fighting is because NATO is pouring hundreds of billions of resources taken from its own people into it every single year. That’s why the standard of living in the west is now collapsing. That’s why you dumb fucks have austerity so you can pay 5% of your GDP to NATO.

For all of Russia’s supposed increase in production it is not evident on the front lines. More Russian fluff and lies.

You keep on coping there dronie. Again, mainstream western media disagrees with your delusions. Here’s the reality of Ukraine. The AFU is running out of manpower, and it should be obvious to anybody who didn’t fail grade school math that Russia has a huge advantage here. Meanwhile, the west is now unable to continue supplying weapons at the rate it has been, especially now that Iran chocked off oil. And of course, since you keep braying about the economy. Why don’t we talk about the fact that Ukraine requires $160 billion in external financing is required through 2028 to cover budget deficits, which peak at $103 billion in 2026 for defense alone. That’s money coming from the pockets of mouth breathers such as yourself.

Always with the whataboutery with you guys isn’t it.

I mean we’re literally comparing the situation of the two sides of the conflict here. The question is who will last longer. And since you keep screeching that Russian economy is collapsing because of military spending, we have to put that in the context of US military spending with the US being the main military sponsor of the proxy. Let me know if you need this explained to you using smaller words.

Further emphasising Russia’s dependence on China and vassal status.

It’s called trade, but I guess it’s difficult for somebody living in a vassal state to understand how trade between two countries works without one being taken advantage of.

This explains why you think the way you do. If that is where you get your information you are weeks behind and are likely unaware of Ukraine’s recent improvements in drone range and tactics that are destroying Russian logistics.

Weird how it’s the Ukrainians that incessantly complain about Russian drones destroying their infrastructure at scale with Russia producing drones at an industrial scale while Ukraine has artisanal workshops. Again, anybody with even a couple of brain cells to bang together would understand who has the advantage here. Not to mention the destruction of most of Ukraine’s energy production which obviously affects industrial production which needs energy.

Ukraine are the ones taking land now as Russia attempts to recruit more Kenyan mercenaries.

Go read up what a war of attrition is so you don’t keep making a clown of yourself. This is frankly embarrassing.

Why does the Russian regime keep on turning off the internet in Moscow?

Why do European regimes ban Russian media and want to personally identify you all online? This doesn’t sound like something the winning side would be doing. Kid Starver seems worried…

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I showed you articles from mainstream financial publications. You dismiss them without addressing anything they say, and then in the next breath tell me that Russian economy is collapsing because some telegram channel told you so.

Mainstream financial publications like the cccp owned Global Times News. That’s state propaganda bud, sure you guys can’t even tell the difference. All of the financial information I gave you, like Russia’s M2 situation are from respected economic information aggregators, the Russian telegram channels just tell me how badly Russia is currently doing on the front line. You seem to be getting confused.

Literally every article in mainstream western media says that

This is likely your problem, the mainstream media is brain rot, nobody reads it anymore which is why they are not doing well financially. I also dislike when people use “literally” when it is not appropriate in the sentence. It makes me feel like I’m talking to a poorly educated teenager.

The only reason Ukraine is able to keep fighting is because NATO is pouring hundreds of billions of resources taken from its own people into it every single year. That’s why the standard of living in the west is now collapsing

Financing Ukraine in this war is a drop in the economic bucket, remember the EU economy is 10 times the size of the Russian one. If it is hurting the EU imagine what it’s doing to Russia. There are other reasons for the sluggish EU growth but this is not the forum for that.

Again, mainstream western media disagrees with your delusions.

Again with your mainstream media, you need to get off Fox news grandpa and get with the 21st century.

That’s money coming from the pockets of mouth breathers such as yourself.

I will pay it happily if it keeps the Russian hordes in Mordor. On a more positive note I have found my European holidays more enjoyable for the same reason.

The first of the linked sites you posted, ukrainewarlosses.org was interesting, it seems very similar to the more official .com version but when I looked into it’s ownership I could not find it, seems very sketchy. You should be more careful about the sources you chose to post, unverified slop like this site makes you look like a bad actor.

You then seem to think that Russia won’t collapse because America spends more money than Russia on defence. I fail to see the logic here, you promised to explain it to me using smaller words. It appears to me that you do t understand the fundamental differences in the size and scale of the US economy and the benefits of possessing the world reserve currency. The USA are also only spending about 3% of GDP on this war compared with Russia’s 8%. ( This is discounting the credit Russian banks have extended to the military industrial complex on the orders of Putin as an “off books” method to finance the war.)

It’s called trade, but I guess it’s difficult for somebody living in a vassal state to understand how trade between two countries works without one being taken advantage of.

China is by far the bigger player in Sino-Russian relations. Russia is also in a desperate starting position of having no other option when trading due to the richer half of the world sanctioning and not wanting to do business with them. If you do not believe that China will take advantage of this situation you are hopelessly naïve. Check out how the negotiations are going over the pipeline going to China, not good for Russia. In economics, in order to achieve the best price it is always favourable to have many customers competing for your product, not one big customer who can dictate terms to you.

Go read up what a war of attrition is so you don’t keep making a clown of yourself.

Ah so a war of attrition is one where Russia struggles to take ground against their much smaller neighbor for 4 years while their economy goes down the toilet. I was such a fool, I get it now!

This is just yet another Russian excuse for failure. I used to think that an economic path to victory was Ukraine’s only hope but watching them absolutely batter Russia the last few months I’m starting to think Ukraine can beat Russia back to their borders. Ukrainians have a much better and more modern army structure, Ukrainian NCOs can make decisions on the field where the Russian soldiers stand around in large groups like idiots waiting for orders and get cancelled in big groups. Russia is finding it harder to keep what is happening on the front lines a secret so they are running out of voluntary sign up meat.

Why do European regimes ban Russian media and want to personally identify you all online? This doesn’t sound like something the winning side

Russian media ban is because RT is just a propaganda network, why would Europe let Russia beam propaganda in when fighting a proxy war, this is a no brainer and Russia does the exact same thing. You then accuse Europe of wanting to personally identify everyone online, a small group tried and it got voted down and looks unlikely to have a hope of passing. In the meantime we have Russia forcing it’s citizens to use Russia Max government app for all payments and communication, messing up the army who use signal and telegram but are now throttled. You can see your projection from the moon dude!

This doesn’t sound like something the winning side would be doing

I know right? This is why Russia is doing it and Ukraine is not, your words homie. I do love our little chats.

Mainstream financial publications like the cccp owned Global Times News.

Yeah, you’ve been see see pee owned alright. Financial publications like Bloomberg and Financial times. Also, love how you’re dumb enough to think your oligarch owned media isn’t propaganda bud.

This is likely your problem, the mainstream media is brain rot, nobody reads it anymore which is why they are not doing well financially. I also dislike when people use “literally” when it is not appropriate in the sentence. It makes me feel like I’m talking to a poorly educated teenager.

Yup, them telegram channels sure know better. Also, don’t give a shit what an ignoramus likes or dislikes. You’re literally clueless.

Financing Ukraine in this war is a drop in the economic bucket, remember the EU economy is 10 times the size of the Russian one. If it is hurting the EU imagine what it’s doing to Russia. There are other reasons for the sluggish EU growth but this is not the forum for that.

Ah yes, that’s why the EU is now struggling to approve another 90 billion for the proxy war.

Again with your mainstream media, you need to get off Fox news grandpa and get with the 21st century.

Show me a single fox article I linked lying little shit.

I will pay it happily if it keeps the Russian hordes in Mordor. On a more positive note I have found my European holidays more enjoyable for the same reason.

How to say you’re a racist little fash without saying it.

You should be more careful about the sources you chose to post, unverified slop like this site makes you look like a bad actor.

Says the imbecile who gets all his information on telegram.

You then seem to think that Russia won’t collapse because America spends more money than Russia on defence.

Nope, that’s just you having reading comprehension of a squirrel on meth. What I actually said was that military spending in Russia accounts for a small part of the overall economy, and that Russian industry has actually been growing to fill the niches left by western companies leaving. I also provided actual sources that aren’t telegram channels explaining this.

The USA are also only spending about 3% of GDP on this war

The USA is spending on maintaining over 800 military bases all over the globe, and that sure costs more than 3% of the GDP.

China is by far the bigger player in Sino-Russian relations.

You seem to be under the impression that I think it would be a bad thing for China to have more influence over Russia.

Ah so a war of attrition is one where Russia struggles to take ground against their much smaller neighbor for 4 years while their economy goes down the toilet. I was such a fool, I get it now!

Wars of attrition aren’t about taking ground, but clearly you lack cognitive capacity to get that through that thick skull of yours. Russian goal is the destruction of the AFU, and as the site linked which actually explains its methodology shows, that goal is progressing steadily. Once the AFU collapses, Russia can take any and all territory it wants. Just as it happened during WW2 when the front was static for whole four years and then the Soviet army marched on Berlin in months. But I guess they didn’t teach you history at the clown school you went to.

Russian media ban is because RT is just a propaganda network, why would Europe let Russia beam propaganda in when fighting a proxy war, this is a no brainer and Russia does the exact same thing.

That’s right, can only see wholesome domestic propaganda.

You can see your projection from the moon dude!

Cope harder loser.

I know right? This is why Russia is doing it and Ukraine is not, your words homie. I do love our little chats.

The same Ukraine which banned all independent media and opposition parties. Just how dumb are you exactly?

You really must have a fetish for public humiliation, that’s the only reason I can think of why you’re still in this thread. Can’t wait to see what new drivel you’ll spew next.

Any day now it’s going to crumble!
Quick sanction round 547!
Gee, our EU economy seems to uncompetitive and tanking due to the very expensive USSA and QAtar gas we have to buy because the terrorists blew up Nordstream and these sanctions. How could that be?!

But hey Russia, we’re also having a problem due to murdering children somewhere else now, can you please sell us some oil?
It’s OK now, we’re totally not opportunistic hypocrites and we’ll go right back to sanctioning and funding the ukrofascists so they can kill you and themselves for our US masters, thank you.

If you are paying attention to this war as we enter its 5th year, Russia’s front line isn’t doing too well at the minute,

If you were paying attention to this was when was entering it’s 5th month, then you’d know that Ukraine stans were saying the same back then.

It was the other way around, the west planned and supplied their ukro- proxies.
They broke all the Misk accords etc…
You clearly know as little about Iran as you do about ex-ukraine
Lol we found the line beyond which liberals side with the fascist kid-bombers, and that line is being against the nazi junta country
Excuse me, who are you talking about? I was talking about Iran threatening Ukraine.
Every now and then there’s a burst of terminally unhinged noise. Its a bit like sighting a pulsar.
Utkin, the Nazi-tattooed commander who gave Wagner its name

A rare photo of the Wagner group's military commander shows a man with a shaved head, a cold stare and the Nazi SS symbol tattooed on both sides of his neck.

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“Oh but Russia has fascist mercenaries” that’s cool man, let me know when they’re running the government instead of being used as cannon fodder
A rare Polish W?
There’s one on the map, monument to “Ogien”, forest bandit. Though you can add i think few dozen others also to various forest bandits though to be fair not all of them were nazi collaborators. Plus around 1000 monuments plus contless streets etc. to pope John Paul 2 who was trying to sanctify Ustase archbishop and was chummy with every existing fascist regime during his pontificate. Plus some assorted bootlicking of USA and west like naming things for Reagan etc.
The Ukrainian government is run by a jewish person. Utkin and Prigozhin were personal acquaintances of Putin
A Jewish nazi, yes. There’s plenty of those in Israel, the country Zelensky has repeatedly said he wants to emulate.
Amerikkka had a black president

LOL here we go again with the whitewasher bingo, we already had Utkin and Prigozhin

reddit.com/…/official_telegramxcom_but_the_presid…

Likewise, neofascists in the Russian Federation aren’t really benefiting from Western régimes’ support, but the same cannot be said about Ukrainian neofascists. That makes terminating Western support for Ukraine a more obvious step to take.

Predictably, Quacksalber responded by reminding us that the Ukrainian head of state is a token Jew, oblivious to the fact that Zelensky refuses to condemn Stepan Bandera and is doing nothing about Ukraine’s numerous commemorations of anti-Jewish politicians.

Hawkish Pundits Downplay Threat of War, Ukraine’s Neofascist Ties - Lemmy

>Ukraine’s total number of monuments to Third Reich collaborators who served in auxiliary police battalions and other units responsible for the Holocaust number in the several hundred. The whitewashing also extends to official [https://web.archive.org/web/20181227183407/https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-celebrates-nazi-collaborator-bans-book-critical-of-pogroms-leader] book bans [https://web.archive.org/web/20180119181034/https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2018/jan/19/stalingrad-author-anthony-beevor-speaks-out-over-ukraine-book-ban] and citywide [https://web.archive.org/web/20210127220441/https://apnews.com/article/54d18b10911a46b0b9b38b129d51a5bd] veneration of collaborators [https://web.archive.org/web/20210506192328/https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/wjc-welcomes-kyiv-courts-postponement-of-celebrations-honoring-nazi-collaborators-3-5-2020]. > > The typical reaction to this in the West is that Ukraine can’t be celebrating Nazi collaborators because it elected [Volodymyr] Zelensky, a Jewish president. Zelensky, however, has alternated between appeasing and ignoring the whitewashing: In 2018, he stated [https://web.archive.org/web/20200809233455/https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/features-russian-47974206], “To some Ukrainians, [Axis collaborator [https://web.archive.org/web/20191119143332/http://www.wiesenthal.com/about/news/wiesenthal-center-harshly-4.html]] Bandera is a hero, and that’s cool!”

Nice thought terminating sequence, I guess now you don’t have to address supporting a country which has AN OFFICIAL BATTALLION made entirely of nazis and national holidays, statues, and streets named for a ridiculous amount of nazis
No, there is not an entire nazi battalion. There was a civil defense force where nazis dominated, but when that defense force got rolled into the army, the percentage of nazis in that battalion dropped significantly. And Ukraine is in no position to refuse able-bodied recruits, so they get to stay. Overall Ukraine only has a hand-full of nazis, no more than the average western country.

no more than the average western country.

Probably true

Sure totally normal country Every western country celebrates WW2 mass murderers of Jews, Russians and Poles
January 1 – 117th anniversary of Stepan Bandera's birth

On January 1, 2026, Ukraine will celebrate the 117th anniversary of Stepan Bandera's birth

LOL there are at least 8 nazi batallions like sich, Tornado, Misanthropic,…
Not to mention politicians and paramilitary or civilian organizations.
And moving them around only helped spread their influence.
You must also believe the azov scum magically stopped being nazis because they changed their logo a bit. LOL

Maybe look up who is more popular and would win the elections from zelenski if he would have them? This guy:
www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/06/…/rxcg-j17.html

No prizes looking at your name and ideology what country you’re from, don’t ever change germs!

Former Commander-in-Chief of Ukrainian Armed Forces Zaluzhny is now the ambassador to the UK

The appointment of Zaluzhny as ambassador to the United Kingdom in March confirms the SEP’s insistence that a major escalation of NATO’s proxy war against Russia is being prepared.

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invariably the same one guy, who is not in the army but a PMC.
completely the same as having many openly nazi batallions, honoring WW2 nazi genociders, naming streets after them, etc…
The little cope of the nazi whitewashers.
Any country has nazis unfortunately, if you want to know where the Russian ones are you can look up Nikitin and the Russian Volunteer Friends fighting for the ukro side.
There they are welcome and don’t have to hold back their true self
Why do you think the US carefully avoided the oil infrastructure when bombing that island? You read the news or just comment on it?
Because they want to take over the island? Or because they still want to have something to threaten Iran with?
It’s because Iran can destroy the rest of the region’s oil infrastructure with its missiles, and has refrained from doing so. US is unable to go tit-for-tat on this because Iran would easily weather a global economic crash, since they are already as sanctioned as possible. This is why I was deeply mistaken about the escalation ladder in this war, I made assumptions like “US will see this is irrational” (LMAO) and “US willl have to use nukes or lose”—Iran has pseudo-M.A.D.
Ukraine joined the sanctions on Iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program . Sanctions indirectly kill people.
So sanctions warrant military strikes? Someone better let the UN know.

Sanctions makes regular iranian suffer. To minimize the suffer Iran has to find allies. Iran was forced into russian and chinese arms it is a fact. Do you also think all those countries who protected Israel occupation for 7 decades make them legimate target to Israel or ukrainian forces who participated in Iraq in 2005 . Chinese arms are also used by russia, will you support a war with China?

The bigger winner of this war is china and the russian invaders not Ukraine. The day the west promise removing all sanctions on Iran in exchange of stopping the support for Russia and I would agree with you

The UN is useless and many countries who designed it was still colonial powers killing people in occupied lands

I didn’t say that Ukraine would be a winner of this war, all I said was that if Iran were to attack Ukraine, Ukraine could replicate on iranian oil infrastructure what they are doing with russian oil infrastructure.

I really don’t believe Iran will strike in ukranians territories but it’s asset in the middle east region.

Ukraine will not benefits at all from helping israel, the usa and the golf. The real winners is the russian invaders and China and Israel if Iran is destroyed and genocided.

Russia no longer need the shahed too. They got the tech and have their own drones based on the shahed blueprint