GollumMar 14

The radical left

https://feddit.org/post/27090117

Show threadthemeatbridgeMar 14

That’s because “conservative” isn’t an ideology, and it never has been. Conservativism has two core beliefs: “conservatives” refers to a specific group of people defined by common traits, and those are the good people. Each tranche of conservatives defines their own identity, and then they define whatever they want as “conservative values.”

This German guy on the train probably is very conservative. He is not more progressive than an American conservative. He has simply defined his group of conservatives to include the people who benefit from universal healthcare. He sees the value to his own group, and so he supports it.

Show threadZombiFrancis

They’d also be able to express how they believe an immigrant doesn’t deserve healthcare. Either that they deserve the healthcare of their homecountry, or that they aren’t a part of ‘everyone’, be that German, or otherwise.

Without any congitive dissonance.

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Show threadplythMar 14

Sounds cruel but most people cut other people off. Otherwise there would already be global socialism. Why does the immigrant deserve healthcare but not their family at home? German migrant worker laws once granted that.

The question is how everybody can expand their cut off limit until we are ready to make the world nice for everybody.

Show threadZombiFrancisMar 14

This is actually a good demonstration of what I mean, yes.

Just by using the word immigrant a divide between ‘everybody’ is made and then people are free to start cutting each other off from healthcare, exactly as you put it. The cruelty is perfectly rationalized. Away, even.

Suddenly national borders and individual locale are valid opposition to a concept of healthcare for ‘everybody’.

Show threadplythMar 14
The tricky part comes when resources are limited. Should the old native receive treatment to live five more years or the young immigrant who can gain a full life?
Show threadScubusMar 14
Resources are only limited due to resource hoarding. The scarcity is artificial to ensure a working population.
Show threadmaplesagaMar 14
The rich arent driving around to all the stores and buying up all the lawn mowers, they arent buying all the food at your local diner. They generally just hold stocks, which are borrowed against and lower borrowing rates, leading to more production.
Show threadIgnotMar 14
They hoard the money, brother
Show threadmaplesagaMar 14

The rich have the most debt, they benefit from the cantillon effect more than they hoard cash.

Which is government caused, and they are responding to incentives.

Show threadIgnotMar 14
They borrow after they’ve hoarded the money
Show threadmaplesagaMar 15
They horde nominal stock value, none of it is ever liquid. They also arent buying fixed income since they can weather any storm.
Show threadplythMar 15
The best doctors, donor organs, fast treatment, there will always be scarcity.
Show threadSabinStargemMar 15

Students are saddled with enormous debt if they want to learn how to practice medicine. UBI-based society would solve that, if education and the fundamentals are free.

People who have the ability and interest in medicine, are stuck flipping burgers because they wouldn’t survive without money. That is fucked up, and hugely wasteful of potential talent in every sector of America.

Capitalism is inherently inefficient.

Show threadplythMar 15

Capitalism is inherently inefficient.

It is, but there can’t be limitless supply with any form of government.

Show threadSabinStargemMar 15
We seem to have enough resources to afford the Epstein Class, and lashing out at other countries at the behest of an addled manchild. If we eliminated wage theft, capped individual wealth, and properly taxed companies, there would be more than enough wealth to support everyday people.
Show threadGrandwolf319Mar 14

Another take is that they believe in inherit hierarchy that must be conserved.

In this situation, being German is very high on the ladder, so even if they accept immigrants, they would only do so because there are plenty of foreigners that would be lower.

It’s less about where you draw the exclusion line, and more about that their entire worldview is a pyramid in which only a few groups can have a good life if that is built on the shoulders of a larger, lower group.

This is why it’s not about healthcare, it’s about equality. Even if you convince them that everyone deserves healthcare, they would automatically believe that since they are in the top group, they have to get a better kind of healthcare.

This is also why they would never see someone that is fully integrated as true Germans, cause even within the top group, there is a structure.

And of course, their worse fear is being in the bottom group.