I’m hoping this doesn’t come off as an “I told you so” post, but a number of the people you dismissed as systemd haters were trying to warn you about the longstanding technical and structural issues that make something on the level of slop code in systemd an instant and catastrophic issue with no easy solution

are some of the supposed systemd alternatives run by fascists? yes they are. a do-everything init ecosystem is an irresistible lever of power for them. init should be thin and independent enough that it isn’t an ecosystem at all, but if we must have an init ecosystem then we must be very careful who controls that power. again, ideally, there should be no power to control.

with that said, can we please stop fashjacketing all of the people who recognize systemd and wayland as levers of power?

systemd isn’t how most software is shaped. we don’t need to recreate this particular set of mistakes to have a modern init.

“but @zzt what alternatives can you recomm—“ openrc. openrc on alpine or gentoo. openrc is thin enough and reputationally made by people who don’t fucking suck. it’s well-designed. you probably won’t hate it, and the only bits of systemd you’ll miss are the bits there to lock you in.

there’s plenty of other alternatives. don’t post the fash ones or I’ll get fucking mad.

@zzt what fash ones? and why would i care if you get mad?
@kirby what a fucking reply