[object Object]Mar 13
I’m hoping this doesn’t come off as an “I told you so” post, but a number of the people you dismissed as systemd haters were trying to warn you about the longstanding technical and structural issues that make something on the level of slop code in systemd an instant and catastrophic issue with no easy solution
Show thread[object Object]Mar 13

are some of the supposed systemd alternatives run by fascists? yes they are. a do-everything init ecosystem is an irresistible lever of power for them. init should be thin and independent enough that it isn’t an ecosystem at all, but if we must have an init ecosystem then we must be very careful who controls that power. again, ideally, there should be no power to control.

with that said, can we please stop fashjacketing all of the people who recognize systemd and wayland as levers of power?

Show threadlizzy مثلية الله ☭  Mar 13
@zzt which ones are run by facists, huh? i know openrc, s6 and runit and nitro are done by cool people. is dinit bad or smth?
Show thread[object Object]Mar 13

@lizzy the best examples I have of the ones reaching for an ecosystem are fortunately dead systemd forks run by absolute assholes.

the ones I’ve seen pointed to as examples in modern discourse are suckless init, which I don’t think anyone uses (for good reason, it’s baby’s first init made by nazis), and devuan, which doesn’t actually run an init project of its own but which is the most visible fascist anti-systemd ecosystem.

Show threadlizzy مثلية الله ☭  
@zzt oh yea, artix unfortunately is full of fash people too

i used to run artix for years because my laptop wasn't powerful enough for gentoo, but now gentoo has the binhost and i have better hardware, so i was able to switch back. really glad i did considering they package xlibre now
Mar 13 at 11:25amWeb
Show thread[object Object]Mar 13
@lizzy uggh xlibre is such a prime recent example of attempted ecosystem control too. it’s not a competent attempt on a technical level at all, but it gets marketed and SEOed to all hell in an attempt to astroturf legitimacy. the hope, I think, is for people to eventually run out of alternatives and get desperate enough they’re willing to look past the fascism, and then they’re stuck.
Show threadlizzy مثلية الله ☭  Mar 13
@zzt i still love how the xlibre people wrote 2^16 in C to mean 2 raised to the power of 16
Show threadnickMar 14
@lizzy @zzt Making this even funnier, the gcc warnings for this are just so good and helpful:
Show threadAndrea (Drea) Tamar PinskiMar 14
@nickzoic @lizzy @zzt I have to give credit where credit is due. It came originally from clang. GCC bug report mentioning that:
https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=90885#c20
90885 – GCC should warn about 2^16 and 2^32 and 2^64 [-Wxor-used-as-pow]

Show threadMoses IzumiMar 13
@lizzy @zzt
>binhost
You're telling me Gentoo officially lets me fall back on binary packages?
Sick!
(guess I have my ticket away from the Debian world sorted then)
Show threadJacob Alexander TiceMar 14
I'm really in an annoying pickle with that because I'm just going to be honest, I don't like Gentoo very much. I am most comfortable with Arch Linux's tooling. I am more comfortable with Pacman than literally any other package manager. I don't care if Portage is technically superior or more powerful or whatever else, Pacman and makepkg are simply how my brain works and there is no user repository that I prefer pulling packages from more than the AUR. But, like, Artix has some rather dubious people involved in the project and Obarun is run by promptfondlers. So, like, what's my option here?
Show threadlizzy مثلية الله ☭  Mar 14
@daemonspudguy @zzt I think you can also install openrc on arch, from AUR... and then also install service files for various things from AUR, but i think at this point it's actually easier to use Artix
Show threadJacob Alexander TiceMar 14
Honestly I'm probably just going to do that. At least it still packages Xorg so I can avoid XLibre like the plague because it is the plague.