Mastodawn

I’m hoping this doesn’t come off as an “I told you so” post, but a number of the people you dismissed as systemd haters were trying to warn you about the longstanding technical and structural issues that make something on the level of slop code in systemd an instant and catastrophic issue with no easy solution

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[object Object]Mar 13

are some of the supposed systemd alternatives run by fascists? yes they are. a do-everything init ecosystem is an irresistible lever of power for them. init should be thin and independent enough that it isn’t an ecosystem at all, but if we must have an init ecosystem then we must be very careful who controls that power. again, ideally, there should be no power to control.

with that said, can we please stop fashjacketing all of the people who recognize systemd and wayland as levers of power?

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lizzy مثلية الله ☭

Mar 13

@zzt which ones are run by facists, huh? i know openrc, s6 and runit and nitro are done by cool people. is dinit bad or smth?

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[object Object]Mar 13

@lizzy the best examples I have of the ones reaching for an ecosystem are fortunately dead systemd forks run by absolute assholes.

the ones I’ve seen pointed to as examples in modern discourse are suckless init, which I don’t think anyone uses (for good reason, it’s baby’s first init made by nazis), and devuan, which doesn’t actually run an init project of its own but which is the most visible fascist anti-systemd ecosystem.

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@lizzy usually suckless init and devuan are synthesized together to form the incorrect accusation that systemd alternatives are all run by fascists. it’s a ridiculous thing that falls apart under any analysis, but unfortunately that’s where some of the discourse has been lately.