zero_gravitasTwo protesters arrested on first day of Queensland’s ‘from the river to the sea’ ban
Kudos to you, students 🩷
This whole situation is just ludicrous. We should all be wearing t-shirts with euphemisms like “From the puddle to the pond”, “From the sink to the bathtub”, “From the creek to the brine”, “From the jug to the lake” (can you think of others?). See if they arrest us all.
“From the Muslim to the guillotine.”? See, hate speech is bad.
ZagorathThe only one sharing hate speech around here is you.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
The point is that slogan is considered hateful to some. It’s considered to be calling for terrible things. You probably don’t mean it that way (I hope), but knowing how offensive it is to others, why would you keep using it?
Because the people claiming they find it hateful are doing so performatively in order to restrict just criticism of their favourite country’s genocidal actions. Or are being earnest, but have been tricked into believing it is offensive by the former group. Either way, the outcome is a pro-genocide one.
No, it reinforces the notion that the Jews in Isreal are in existential danger and that leads to their right to defend themselves and that leads to their twisted justification of attacking Palestine civilians.
I’m confused. Your comment starts with “no”, and then basically restates what I said.
No because it’s not ‘performative’. They are offended at the call to kill all Jews (how they see the phrase). And then that muddies the water on Israeli ‘defense’. If others are ‘tricked’ into believing that meaning to the phrase, then the phrase has that meaning regardless. And people using it know what it is interpreted as. They only keep using it because they want to convey that meaning while. Like racist assholes saying ‘all lives matter’.
They are offended at the call to kill all Jews (how they see the phrase).
Right but that goes to the second category. There are two groups: the performative ones and the tricked ones. Because the phrase doesn’t mean “kill all Jews”. That’s a lie made up by Israel propaganda to justify the genocide.
“All lives matter” was a phrase deliberately used to undermine the notion that “black lives matter”. That’s not what’s going on here. “From the river to the sea” is the equivalent of black lives matter. It’s the call for freedom against oppression.
It’s not really a stretch tho is it. Chants of ‘death to Israel’, ‘death to America’ are common in the Arab world. Or do those have some nice meaning too?
Different chants made in different countries are not relevant to “from the river to the sea” chanted in Australia. Your comment is a complete non-sequitur.
‘From the river to the sea …’ is also chanted in Gaza and other places. Yes different people interpret it differently. But the key point is that a significant number of people see it as a call for the destruction of Isreal and the genocide of the Jews there. So if you don’t want that to be what you are saying, then avoid the phrase. Or don’t, whatever, but suck it up if you are then labeled as a genocide supporter.