KhrysMar 13
RT if you want a CLEAR statement about AI from all GNU/Linux distributions and are ready to quit any distribution that is ok with integrating AI slopware.
Show threadJohn Shaft
@Khrys I want a clear statement by the kernel devteam too
Mar 13 at 11:01amWeb
Show threadBreizhMar 13

@shaft @Khrys There you have.

https://docs.kernel.org/process/coding-assistants.html

Time to switch to BSD ? Well, I don't know their position.

AI Coding Assistants — The Linux Kernel documentation

Show threadJohn ShaftMar 13

@breizh @Khrys Ok, ça confirme ce que j'avais vu passer 😬

Chez BSD, j'ai vu que NetBSD pour l'instant et la porte n'est pas totalement fermée (de toutes façons, reste ensuite le problème des softs au-dessus)

https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html

NetBSD Commit Guidelines

Show threadVictor MignotMar 13

@shaft @breizh @Khrys

FreeBSD utilise LLVM/clang comme compilateur.
Et il suffit de chercher "Claude" dans les PR du repo LLVM pour se rendre compte que FreeBSD est aussi impacté indirectement :(

Show threaddalloMar 13
@breizh @Khrys @shaft BSD is open source not libre. What about Hurd and Plan9?
Show threadJohn ShaftMar 13
@dallo @breizh @Khrys I want tools usable by regular human beings with little or no technical knowledge. Not niche stuff for people with 30+ years of sysadmin experience 😬
Show threaddalloMar 13
@shaft @breizh @Khrys I met people running Hurd/GUIX. They were not people with 30+ years of sysadmin experience. I never met anyone running Plan9 though.
Show threadParade du Grotesque 💀Mar 13

@breizh @Khrys @shaft

#NetBSD has explicitly banned AI code from being incorporated into the system.

I suspect both #FreeBSD and #OpenBSD will take similar positions, probably for the same reasons (dubious provenance and quality issues, problems with code licensing, etc.).

Show threadJohn ShaftMar 13

@ParadeGrotesque @breizh @Khrys The door is not 100% closed in NetBSD

“Code generated by a large language model or similar technology [...] is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core.”

An approval can be given

https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html

NetBSD Commit Guidelines

Show threadParade du Grotesque 💀Mar 13

@shaft

What you say is true, but I don't see NetBSD core team give an approval of this kind any time soon.

As far as I know, nothing has been approved so far, but I'll welcome information and corrections from the #netbsd developers on the Fediverse (and there are quite a few here).

@breizh @Khrys

Show threadJohn ShaftMar 13
@ParadeGrotesque @breizh @Khrys Anyway: you have your AI-Free kernel. Nice. Then all the softwares that will run on this kernel, ranging from the shell to the web browser have to be AI-free 😬
Show threadParade du Grotesque 💀Mar 13

@shaft

BSD user land (shell, utilities, etc.) is part of the distribution, and is often created and maintained by the same developers as the kernel.

So no AI there either.

Which means BSDs, in general, are more consistent and have slightly lighter utilities than Linux.

For example: ksh is usually a version of pdksh, and is maintained by several developers from all 3 major BSDs (if I remember well).

@breizh @Khrys

Show threadGraham PerrinMar 13

RE: https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@grahamperrin/116220642823558416

@breizh re: Linux, thank you for providing the missing link to docs.kernel.org.

There are multiple BSD distros.

For FreeBSD, the quoted post might help.

cc @ParadeGrotesque

Show threadFoolishOwlMar 13

@breizh @Khrys @shaft I'm not sure what "switch to BSD" would actually mean.

That is, a few years ago, "the year of the Linux desktop" was a rueful joke. At work, Linux was a PuTTY session, grudgingly permitted on a workstation running Windows. Activist groups depended on Google Docs running in Chrome.

Sure, I've been running Linux on devices at home. And I could switch them to BSD, with some sacrifices.

But the dream of an anti-capitalist resistance in software is receding from view.