Protein/supplement questions over 50

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Protein/supplement questions over 50 - Lemmy.World

Hey all, hoping someone can chime in here. Ime closing in on my mid 50s, and have fallen far out of shape. The past decade has been a loss (physically) and covid made it worse. Post covid i have discovered that ive lost all willpower/discipline when it comes to dieting. I’ve lost considerable amounts of weight twice in my life, and both times slagged off and put it all back on for various reasons/excuses. My recent efforts have just all fallen flat. Ongoing depression finally forced my hand, to do a couple of things I was previously very resistant to… I got my testosterone checked, and it was low, so I have gotten testopel treatment… and that has made a definite difference in several ways. I always said I would not supplement testosterone… But I feel better today than I have in years. It hasn’t been a cure all, but in general, it has made me feel better. The second thing, was finally getting on the standard GLP1. Again, something I never thought I would do, but again, desperate times… For more background, I am a generally large framed man with a comfortably fit weight of around 260-280. Less than that I start to look sickly. However, I am well above that, and around 340, though I am losing. I am going to the gym and since I am doing solo workouts, mostly using machines, and still trying to figure out the weight ranges to use on them. It has been a slow process. I have always worked out with free weights, but I feel safer now on the machines, since I don’t have a spotter. Right now I am just doing a push day, a pull day and a leg day. As I proceed I plan on adding reps to duplicate muscle groups in each of these… but right now, I am just doing 3 sets of each exercise. My primary focus is currently to keep moving and keep at it in the gym. I do not expect to get ripped, but I do want to build muscle… I hope that getting some power back is possible. Anyhow, I felt like that was all a lot of background for my main question… Is a whey powder like Gold Standard something I should be taking to supplement my exercising? I used it when I was very regularly in the gym before, but I was also younger and much more fit. I didn’t know if that owuld be considered flushing money down the toilet or not. I have already ordered some Creatine HCL, on the recommendation of a trainer at the gym. I have done some reading on it, and realize there is some debate on if it is better than Creatine monohydrate, worse, or generally undecided… But I figured something was better than nothing, and I didn’t want to deal with possible side effects from the monohydrate. At any rate, I appreciate any input that anyone more learned on the topic can offer. Thanks!

Good for you for making positive changes in your life!

Is a whey powder like Gold Standard something I should be taking to supplement my exercising?

Most unbiased sources will tell you that it is not strictly necessary, and in general it is recommended that you get your nutritional needs met from whole foods. But also, whey protein is basically the most well studied and proven-effective workout supplement that exists. Like… it’s protein. If you aren’t getting enough protein to support your workouts, a whey shake can be a quick and easy way to increase protein intake. Add to this the fact that it is quite cheap, and there is no real reason not to supplement with a protein shake.

As for which brand to buy - avoid the uber cheap brands sold online, unless they have independent third party testing. In the US at least, supplements are not regulated to the same standards as food, so it is possible for these products to be contaminated with toxins like heavy metals that could be dangerous to long term health. Ideally you would be able to source reliable third party testing for any whey product you might consider buying… but ime, this data can be difficult to find. So my recommendation is to just go to the grocery store and buy a name brand, since the manufacturer will be incentivized to not poison their customers, lest their good reputation be sullied.

As far as which brand in particular to buy… it probably doesnt matter that much. Try a few and see what you like. Taste will probably be the biggest difference. Maybe one brand gives you gas. But people who swear by one brand or another, in my view, are expounding on some kind of cognitive bias rather than an actual lived experience. If you are lifting heavy and eating a reasonable amount of dietary protein, then taking a supplement is just there to eak out the last bit of gains you might be missing, over the course of months. Anyone who claims that they can “feel it working” after a workout or something does not understand the mechanism of how this supplement works.

I have already ordered some Creatine HCL, on the recommendation of a trainer at the gym. I have done some reading on it, and realize there is some debate on if it is better than Creatine monohydrate, worse, or generally undecided… But I figured something was better than nothing, and I didn’t want to deal with possible side effects from the monohydrate.

I’ve never heard of HCL. But regular old creatine monohydrate is the second best studied and evidence supported supplement we know of. Not sure what sides you are talking about. The ones I know of are slight water retention in the muscles (which is basically a non-issue), some gassiness when you take it (take it with a meal), and hair loss (disputed, probably just a corrolation between men losing their hair and deciding it is time to get jacked). If HCL avoids these issues for you… great! But it doesnt have the same robust research behind it as monohydrate, and it is probably more expensive for approximately the same effects.

Also, similar to protein supplementation, supplementing creatine will likely not lead to huge increases in gains. It makes it possible to push slightly harder each workout, which means you get a slightly better adaptation response.

Changing gears - you say you’ve had weight rebound several times in life, that you struggle with issue of willpower, and that your plan is to go to the gym alone. Well, my recommendation to you is to go out into the big wide world and try some exercise that is actually… like… fun? I’m not saying you should stop lifting. But go play some pickup volleyball in the park or take up crosscountry skiing with a meetup group or something. Humans are social creatures who respond to the incentives of our environments. The best way to stick to an exercise habit (and this often leads to sticking to dietary habits as well) is to make the exercise fun, social, and regularly scheduled.

For more background, I am a generally large framed man with a comfortably fit weight of around 260-280.

What… the fuck? If you are 7’ tall, you would still be classified as overweight on a bmi chart at 280. Sure, bmi has its flaws. But unless you are extremely tall or are already carrying around a huge amount of muscle mass, I’d recommend discussing what your goal weight should be with your doctor. For reference, I’m 6’4" and 185/190, and I don’t look emaciated.

Thanks for your response. I appreciate the advice. I realize that you and others might see a goal weight if 280 as insane… and it is frustrating to try to make people realize i know its not ideal, and if i reach that weight i may very well carry on. But it is a goal, and if i ever manage to reach it, I will frankly be amazed, AND it will represent a huge chunk of weight. When i went to the doc in December, i was 370. So 280 might seem crazy, but that is my current long-term goal, and one I would expect is over a year off.

I think it is totally reasonable to set a goal weight that seems sustainable to you. Keeping the weight off is always the hardest part, so if you can get to that range and keep it off for 5 years, you are doing better than most people.

I was more commenting on the fact that you said you look “sickly” below that range - which is more indicative of some kind of body dysmorphia.

Thanks, it maybe, I just didnt like the way i looked at that weight. When I said I had a large frame, I wasnt referring to my fat. I was referring, I guess, my bone structure. When I was at 245, my face looked sunken, and i just didnt like it. When I was down to 280 and doing a LOT of heavier exercises, I was on a good path, and had a very solid muscle structure. I am pretty certain I wold have continued to slim down as I built muscle, however I did something to (I assume) my rhomboid while doing a new kettle bell exercise. It put me well out of commission in regards to exercise for months… without the gym, my diet went to absolute shit, and I never got back on it, and just turned back into a sedentary eating machine.

Again, appreciate your input!

Oof, yeah, injuries can be tough.

I’d recommend finding both a good physio and a good personal trainer. In both cases, the guiding philosophy of both should be that injury should not end training, only modify it.

The physio should be able to give you a program to heal your injury and, importantly, a timeline for injury recovery, and program modifications if you aren’t steadily progressing back to full health at the expected rate. If you don’t feel yourself making progress each week, and your physio seems unconcerned, you need to tell them to eat a dick and find a different one. My physio works with professional athletes, and understands that training and competition cannot stop due to injury, and so all of my recovery programs start with “don’t stop training, but here are things to limit or avoid”.

Similarly with a personal trainer, they should know how to work around injuries to keep you on track to reach your goals. Remember that the main benefit of a personal trainer is simply being another person who can keep you accountable. Most good trainers are open to doing single sessions, where you can explain what you want - eg, program modifications to keep you on track to your goals, which will work around your injury. Then they can write up a modified program for you and send you on your way. A lot of people will say “I could figure that out myself, it’s a waste of money.” But like you experienced, it isn’t just about the knowledge, but the emotional component. When you suffer from an injury, a big part of the role of the personal trainer is to share the emotional load of believing that there is still some way to keep training while you recover.