Apparently it is time to say it again: You aren’t helping or achieving anything by squatting onto github/gitlab/irc/etc to tell people, that you think age verification is a bad idea.

1. Nobody involved thinks the laws proposed in some US states are a good idea.
2. There is a more nuanced discussion to be had whether some form of standardized parental controls are, but technical forums aren’t the place to do that either and the situation is heated enough, that even the most socially skilled people aren’t in the mindset for nuanced anymore. (Congrats!)
3. Unfortunately a large part of the FOSS space is financed by companies, who want to continue selling hardware with Linux and we live in a society. So if this becomes law, something will have to give. The correct way to oppose this is by participating in the process. Vote, write to your representatives, etc. (Or viva la revolution, good luck)
4. All you are doing by writing in those pull requests is pilling onto the abuse some of the most burned out people in the industry already experience over this and other even stupider topics.
5. Figuring out the line to walk between designing something adequate to comply to different (existing and proposed, potentially conflicting) legislation and privacy is difficult and you are not doing anybody a favor by making the space to do this in collaboration transparently and openly hostile. Ending up with various different/non-standard stacks to do this would have even worse consequences.
6. If you actually have technical feedback and are up-to-date on all the relevant context, of course you are welcome to participate. But expect to do the work in that case, just complaining will again not help.

Jeez.. people, you aren’t doing better than the wayland haters. And no, just being on the right side of the general debate, doesn’t justify this shit.

@drakulix hot take, but people implementing fascist asks fucking deserve pushback

fuck this tone-policing nonsense

@Ember @drakulix what a fucking wanker you are...
@swick @[email protected] @drakulix We dont allow children to drive cars, I guess we shouldn't allow children onto Github either ;-)
@vladimirchicken @swick As much as I think Ember is in the wrong here, I hope I don't have to state why we shouldn't counter this with more harassment. Mute/report/move on.

Also this is exactly the attitude, that got us into this mess, let people make mistakes online. You don't have to be the one engaging with it, but this is how people learn. Don't tell me you didn't make some enemies in some niche forums in your formative years. I certainly have posted stuff, I am not proud of in hindsight.

Anyway, seems like it is time to mute this thread.
@drakulix @vladimirchicken @swick yes

it is important to try and be charitable and tolerant. constantly reacting to people just ends up with people who would normally get along, arguing over things that are either stupid or they actually get along with

it's important to do your best to actually listen to people and understand what they're trying to say. what they actually believe, and where their frustrations are
@drakulix @vladimirchicken @swick also, age-ism is toxic. there are legitimate reasons to care about age, when it comes to consent for example

but it is not okay to dismiss opinions and views because of age. it is not okay to assume that someone is dumb because of age

yeah, younger people are usually more immature. leave them be, gently call out their behavior

and of course, older people make mistakes too, let's not jump to the worst possible conclusions