Mastodawn

I just want to share my thought process here in the vain hope that someone else might see the light of reading past the headline.

This is what went through my head as I was reading:

10 times more? That seems really implausible. Where did they get the figure from?

Ok so the subtitle is about capitalism. That seems really tendentious. That does not really inspire a lot of confidence.

The first figure is a bar “chart” that presents two numbers, about 3600 serial killers from the US and about 196 from England. Where did those numbers come from?

Scrolling down, the first link is to a report from the “Serial Killer information center” which gives the overall figure from the US as 3204, not 3600. So where did they get the 3600 number from?

Immediately, several problems jump out at the use of this database for the conclusions the substack draws.

First, the definition of serial killer given in the report is “The unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events.” That is pretty broad, and would include things like a family murder (a man kills his wife, then goes to their kid’s school and kill their kid before committing suicide.), or crime for instrumental reasons (e.g. robbery). That is not usually what people think of when they think of serial killers.

Second the number of killers in the report shoots up dramatically in 1960. That coupled with the fact that the sources for the data are are a hodge-podge of administrative records and reporting would make me very cautious about the database. This is what the webstite the report comes from says:

The database was created using information collected by Radford University students from a variety of sources including prison records, court transcripts, media sources, true crime books, and the Internet. Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of the information.

So, my guess is that the data are mostly from reporting. If that is true then the data are going to be biased towards “serial killers” that show up in news events.

So the data sources are not clear, but include news and “the internet”. What is clear is that the database is not a sample of news or administrative records about violent crime. For example, the data were not collected by randomly sampling a set of judicial systems across countries then estimating all count of convictions where the offender fit the definition of “serial killer.” Rather, the data (according to a slide show on the website) “began with student serial killer timelines.” That same slide deck reports that one of the goals of the database is to provide accurate information for a forensic psychology course. That purpose suggests a focus on case studies rather than national estimates.

Since those students, along with the course and school, are in the US and since the data were collected in an ad-hoc manner relying in part (I suspect heavily) on news reporting, it is a safe bet that the reason the database has so many more US killers in it is because the folks who compiled it focused on collecting data from the US.

To wit: Why does the US have so many more serial killers? Because we spent more time measuring serial killers in the US.

The rest of the substack article drifts away from discussion of serial killers and more towards homicides in general. Some of it is less objectionable. Some of it is contradictory and obviously wrong for example:

The United States criminalizes poverty in ways that peer nations do not. Sex work is illegal across most of the country.

Sex work is actually illegal in many countries.

Among peer nations, the U.S. is an outlier on inequality by essentially the same margin it is an outlier on serial killing.

What? What does that even mean? How are they getting that figure?

Overall, I don’t think this is particularly credible. I hope now, that you too will be at least skeptical of the arguments put forth here.

TIL: The United States Has 10x More Serial Killers Than Any Other Country on Earth - Lemmy.World