I fucking hate ChatGPT and ai and all of that shit

https://lemmy.world/post/43978975

I fucking hate ChatGPT and ai and all of that shit - Lemmy.World

I’ve been working with so many students who turn to it as a first resort for everything. The second a problem stumps them, it’s AI. The first source for research is AI. It’s not even about the tech, there’s just something about not wanting to learn that deeply upsets me. It’s not really something I can understand. There is no reason to avoid getting better at writing.

My thoughts on AI are I don’t blame guns for gun violence, I don’t blame hammers when a contractor screws up, and I don’t blame AI tools when the student is too dumb to utilize it properly. I’ve been using ChatGPT to great effect, but I’m well aware of what is is equipped to handle and what it is not.

Else I’d be the type of person to grab a hammer and then rage at the void about how bad hammers are at cooking Thanksgiving dinner.

Counterpoint: the main product of a student writing a piece is not the piece they wrote, but the act of writing it. If you evaluate the outcome of the situation solely by the piece of paper and the words that are written on it, then the world is a much better place for students using LLMs. But if you evaluate the outcome by the student’s understanding of the subject, then I think we’re better off with the students having to mentally explore the nooks and cranies, footguns and subtleties of the subject. We’re better off with them pursuing a wrong line of thought, realizing it, and having to go back and try again.

Having a student write a piece – and by this I really mean write a piece, not delegate it or parts of it to a third party – is incredibly beneficial. Annoyingly, our means for checking that a student wrote a piece has always been to look at the words they wrote on a piece of paper, but the words and the paper were never really the point.

Counterpoint, it means that writing papers is no longer a good exercise for ensuring students are learning material and teachers need to adapt. AI isn’t going away and it’s a disservice to students to not teach them how to use it, how to find good primary sources, etc 

Let me ask you something. It is completely possible for a machine to do simple welds, right? Would you say that there is no reason for a welder to practice simple welds since a machine can do it?

To me, the same is true of writing. Nobody cares about the essay that was written, but it is practicing for writing that people do care about You can’t learn skills like this without doing them.

If the class is a writing/language class then yes, work on writing. But if the class is history and writing is simply the task to gauge understanding of the topic, that’s no longer the correct approach 
That’s not actually how school works until advanced grades. Even in the unlikely case they have multiple teachers, the curriculum is designed to reinforce skills across itself. Math has reading, history writing, etc. etc. It is possible for one thing to be doing multiple things and disrupting that ecosystem can easily break it completely.
That’s exactly how school works especially in the lower grades - we don’t have kindergartners writing papers, we have them hands-on with the subject. Doing experiments in science class to learns concepts like gravity or density is key to how we teach well before the concept of writing papers is introduced