@nonehitwonder
Well I sure do agree with you on their lack of success.
But can it be said so objectively? What do you think they'd say?
Look, all I'm saying is we have our perspective and they have theirs and they sure aren't going to change their ways.
All we can do is fight back and actively strive to change things.
@11backslashes
@shadowdancer @11backslashes I'm a bit confused by all the people in my replies trying to both-sides this particular point, whether to attempt comedy or rueful cynicism, but it feels like a bad-faith interpretation of a pretty clear statement.
If being objective means putting personal feelings aside to make an assessment based on facts and measurable results, then I would maintain that, objectively, the job of running everything being done is being done poorly. If the job were "acquire all the wealth at the expense of anyone but yourself," then objectively they could be considered a success, but that, I hope you can agree, is not what the job is supposed to be.
Otherwise I'm on board with your position that it's up to us.