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New York Bill Would Force Age ID Checks at the Device Level

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New York Bill Would Force Age ID Checks at the Device Level - Reddthat

>New York just proposed the most invasive state-level age verification bill the US has seen. Senate Bill S08102 would extend age verification requirements down to the device itself: internet-connected devices, operating system providers, and app stores would all be required to implement what the bill calls “age assurance” before users can access their own hardware and software ecosystems.

Entertainmeonly Mar 10

Now, I’m definitely not the smartest with this topic, but identification would be better at the device level than the cloud, right?

just2look Mar 10

How are you verifying the age at the device level? Unless it allows you just say your age, then it will require sending personal information to some ‘verifying authority’. Every age verification push is just an expansion of the surveillance state.

Anything the state does to ‘protect kids’ is bullshit until they ensure every child has food, medical care, proper education, housing, etc.

Entertainmeonly

I’m not advocating. I’m asking a question. Not making a statement.

just2look Mar 10

Oh, I wasn’t trying to be argumentative. I was just trying to answer that at the fundamental level there has to be someone trusted to verify your info, so the data can’t just stay on your device. Unless they just trust the user to state their own age which would defeat the purpose of the law.

The rest was mostly just because I’m so sick of the bullshit and I didn’t feel like making a separate comment in addition to replying to you. Sorry if I came off as hostile to you.

Entertainmeonly Mar 10

Ok, so again I’m not very smart on this subject. Could we not make a universal id system that locally authenticates and only sends a confirmation to say, Facebook or pornhub?

just2look Mar 10

Well to build a universal ID system, we would have to give everyone a unique digital ID that is then associated with their device. So even if it’s claimed it would only be used to verify age where required, its trivial to then use that unique ID to track other device activity and tie it to your real identity.

There has already been examples of law enforcement using cellphone tower data, commercial ad IDs, social media posts, and anything else they can get to track and locate people without warrants or legal justification. So this would just be another way to tie digital activity to your real identity.

Entertainmeonly Mar 10

I see. Thank you. I guess I’m my head I’m trying to relate this to showing id for alcohol in a liquor store but there just is no comparison. This shit is going to suck.

just2look Mar 10

Yeah, it would be like having a giant version of your ID projected over your head all the time. And someone following you around recording everywhere you go and everything you do.

Would be some next level stuff where governments would be able to track and shut down protest attempts before it even happened. And identify those who have expressed critical views of their government and disappear them. And disappear people who bring up people being disappeared.

Until eventually just the thought of speaking freely in such a manner is killed off completely on the Internet.

Do you really trust your government to know every single account associated with you? Do you trust the current leader and future leaders of your country to have every internet activity easily linked to you? Countries like the US will no longer have to subpoena for that information like they recently did for reddit users critical of ICE.

So does it really make you feel better to have the government in control of a universal ID system?

Lost_My_Mind Mar 10

I was just trying to answer that at the fundamental level there has to be someone trusted to verify your info

Why?

Why does there need to be age verification at all?

We’ve had computera since the 1940s, and never needed this. We’ve had the internet since the 1990s and never needed this.

Now that a pedophile is in the white house, and an entire network of pedophile politicians have been revealed, NOW they want to protect the children???

And you honestly believe that?

just2look Mar 10

I don’t know if you’re intentionally misunderstanding what I am saying or what, but I’m not saying age verification is needed. I’m saying that for their age verification plan to function, there would need to be a verifying authority and identifying information would need to be passed from your device to them.

My first comment should have made it very clear that all of this is baseless garbage designed to further state surveillance goals.

ooterness Mar 10

Just Asking Questions - Wikipedia

Entertainmeonly Mar 10

Ok👍

EndlessNightmare Mar 11

See also: sealioning

/not sure if they are exactly the same, but similar at least

Does it not send off alarm bells seeing meta stated as one of the lobbyists? Do they really have a track record that makes you think device would be any better?