andros_rexMar 8

I fucking hate ChatGPT and ai and all of that shit

https://lemmy.world/post/43978975

I fucking hate ChatGPT and ai and all of that shit - Lemmy.World

I’ve been working with so many students who turn to it as a first resort for everything. The second a problem stumps them, it’s AI. The first source for research is AI. It’s not even about the tech, there’s just something about not wanting to learn that deeply upsets me. It’s not really something I can understand. There is no reason to avoid getting better at writing.

Show threadGaMEChldMar 9

My thoughts on AI are I don’t blame guns for gun violence, I don’t blame hammers when a contractor screws up, and I don’t blame AI tools when the student is too dumb to utilize it properly. I’ve been using ChatGPT to great effect, but I’m well aware of what is is equipped to handle and what it is not.

Else I’d be the type of person to grab a hammer and then rage at the void about how bad hammers are at cooking Thanksgiving dinner.

Show threadwpbMar 9

Counterpoint: the main product of a student writing a piece is not the piece they wrote, but the act of writing it. If you evaluate the outcome of the situation solely by the piece of paper and the words that are written on it, then the world is a much better place for students using LLMs. But if you evaluate the outcome by the student’s understanding of the subject, then I think we’re better off with the students having to mentally explore the nooks and cranies, footguns and subtleties of the subject. We’re better off with them pursuing a wrong line of thought, realizing it, and having to go back and try again.

Having a student write a piece – and by this I really mean write a piece, not delegate it or parts of it to a third party – is incredibly beneficial. Annoyingly, our means for checking that a student wrote a piece has always been to look at the words they wrote on a piece of paper, but the words and the paper were never really the point.

Show threadlps2Mar 10
Counterpoint, it means that writing papers is no longer a good exercise for ensuring students are learning material and teachers need to adapt. AI isn’t going away and it’s a disservice to students to not teach them how to use it, how to find good primary sources, etc 
Show threadwpb
Ok, so draw the rest of the owl then. What alternative is there right now, ready for use, that will engage the students with the material as well as writing does?
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Show threadsudoer777Mar 10
Learning how to construct logical arguments, do research that makes sense, and communicate effectively to the right audience, all of which AI writing sucks at.
Show threadlps2Mar 10
It’s going to differ by subject but take for example a science class: lab activities like having students, in-class come up with a hypothesis, a methodology, and then the ability to carry out the experiment, and form a conclusion. AI can help and teachers should help them use it correctly. Or in history, you can set up debates between two “sides”. Think of teaching about the push for unions in the US - have them represent the capitalists and the union leaders. AI can aid with research, have them then manually confirm each to teach about AI hallucinations, then have them debate in-class. I would argue papers are some of the worst ways to ensure students understand a topic but I’m biased as that’s just not how my brain works and I always hated writing papers vs doing research and demonstrating understanding