MicroWaveMar 8

Device thrown near Mamdani’s residence in NYC was IED with risk of ‘serious injury or death,’ NYPD says

https://lemmy.world/post/44010520

Device thrown near Mamdani’s residence in NYC was IED with risk of ‘serious injury or death,’ NYPD says - Lemmy.World

The mayor was inside the residence at the time, the police department said later Saturday The NYPD’s Bomb Squad confirmed that the devices thrown in the direction of New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s home were both viable IEDs. The incident is now under investigation by both the NYPD and the FBI. In total, two devices were thrown during the protests on Saturday afternoon on Manhattan’s swanky Upper East Side. On Sunday, police spokesperson Jessica Tisch said that the “preliminary analysis of a device that was ignited and deployed at a protest yesterday has determined that it is not a hoax device or a smoke bomb.” “It is, in fact, an improvised explosive device that could have caused serious injury or death,” Tisch added.

Show threadrozodruMar 8

click bait headline and post.

It was an Fascist Protest held by Nazi Jake Lang against Muslims. two counter protesters were the ones who tossed the IEDs. they WERE NOT directed at the Mayors home but at the Nazi’s that were protesting nearby.

Show threadhitmyspotMar 9

Terrorism with IEDs is a threat to safety of all and to democracy, even if it is directed at nazis.

Also, what do you think the Nazis do next?

Show threadBeardededSquidwardMar 9
Oh no, the Nazis will get violent! Oh wait, they already are? And have the state supporting and performing their violence? Oh…
Show threadhitmyspotMar 9

You’re conflating state sponsored violence with random Nazi supporters joking them as private malitia.

Absolutely violence should not be avoided where violence is already being used. However, by all account these nazis were protestors, not the agents of the government.

Nazis are still people and there is still a spectrum of violence and beliefs. In the Nazi bar analogy, they all end up being nazis by virtue of association and tolerance of Nazi views. You’re making the leap to all being Nazis immediately.

Non violent far right protestors have the right to protest and their beliefs. Where they have already perpetrated violence, they should receive it in kind or, ideally prosecution.

The use of IED is not that and just normalises it’s use. Which side has the bigger propensity for violence and bombing of unarmed civilians?

The Dems and the left have a problem where they tut tut and pearl clutch rather than taking action. Jumping to bombing protests is not the answer, however distasteful those protests are.

Show threadBeardededSquidwardMar 9
I’m sorry, with dealing with Nazis under a Nazi regime, I fail to see a difference between them being of the state or not.
Show threadhitmyspotMar 9
That’s my point. When you lose your humanity, you are no better. The whole point of fascism is to ‘other’ different in and out groups. Exactly what you’re doing, to the point where you think terrorism is ok.
Show threadHasturInYellowMar 9

When the othering is due to the choices that people make, it is fundamentally different, both morally and as a question of politics, that othering people due to things outside their control.

If they want to stop being Nazis, they magically get their humanity back. And not a moment sooner.

They are not worthy of mercy or kindness because they give none to others.

Show threadHermitBeeMar 9
What defines them being Nazis? Genuine question - what are the specific attributes that make someone lacking in humanity and therefore deserving of violence? Is death ever justified? What are the extra attributes that make someone worthy of death rather than just violence?
Show threadHasturInYellow

The answer that no one likes is that morality is very gray.

I know it when I see it.

Mostly, it is when you intend to, and succeed in oppressing and abusing others. Advocating for such doesn’t count but you should still be punched in the mouth a few times.

I’m certain that if we took the time to philosophically sort this out, we could patch up the holes.

Mar 9 at 11:13pmWeb
Show threadHermitBeeMar 10
Fair enough. A position I see a lot is “I’m anti-violence, except when it comes to Nazis” which I take issue with. But that doesn’t seem to be what you’re saying anyway.