Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 👽Mar 7

Well fucking shit motherfuckers. Vim & Neovim are both contaminated with LLM slop.

I mean, I can just use ed. Or roll back Vim to an old version and never let it update? Fuck.

I do have a new Mac coming, so I could just commit to BBEdit, tho that's less optimal for code editor. Assuming siegel hasn't done something stupid?

Ha ha I could finally switch to emacs with vile binds and then NOTHING will work.

Fucking fuck darkest fucking timeline.
https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
#vim #butlerianJihad

Show threadJyrgen NMar 9
@mdhughes @cstross Homebrew has nvi. And Emacs, of course.
Show threadCharlie Stross

@jyrgenn @mdhughes Emacs, consistently over a 30 year period, has given me RSI *within a week* every time I've tried using it as my main editor. It was designed for a keyboard layout that no longer exists (outside weird homebrew builds).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard

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Show threadLisPiMar 9

@cstross @jyrgenn @mdhughes I do have to remark that the ergonomics of most keyboards until fairly recently were sorely lacking.

I can't imagine doing much of anything with them without getting RSI or other postural issues over time. (Yes, even the space cadet & others.)

(Nostalgic as that beige IBM keyboard may be, it was still terrible for ergonomics.)

Model M keyboard - Wikipedia

Show threadCharlie StrossMar 9
@lispi314 @jyrgenn @mdhughes The good thing about the Model M wasn't it's layout, but the buckling-spring key mechanisms, which current mechanical keyswitches have only recently caught up with. Mind you, adjusted for inflation a circa-1986 Model M would probably cost US $500-1000 today.
Show threadRevK Mar 9

@cstross the layout was also quite cool.

So was the “volume” :-)

Show threadD IngramMar 9
@revk @cstross I've tried using my Unicomp USB buckling spring keyboard in the office, and both times (different companies) I've had coworkers lose their minds. There's just something about that noise. My partner didn't mind it during thesis write up as it was easy to tell when not to interrupt a flow.
Show threadHugo MillsMar 9
@ingram @revk @cstross I love my Model Ms, and the new-build Model F that I'm typing on now (which is even louder), but I wouldn't use one of them in a shared office.
Show threadRevK Mar 9
@darkling @ingram @cstross Ah, I had the advantage that I was the boss 🙂
Show threadD IngramMar 9
@cstross @lispi314 @jyrgenn @mdhughes US$189 for a Kentucky made buckling spring keyboard. https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/NEW_M
Unicomp GA LLC: New Model M

Show threadHugo MillsMar 9

@cstross @lispi314 @jyrgenn @mdhughes For reference, the Model F I'm using right now was on the lower end of that price range.

I was enthusing about it to our Chief Operating Officer when I got it, and he cheerily said "well, if it's for work, we can buy it for you -- send me the receipt". I pointed out how much it cost, and he backtracked a bit.  Still offered to pay for some of it, though...

Show threadDigital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 👽Mar 9

@cstross @lispi314 @jyrgenn For decades I relied on Northgate keyboards, which were slightly-improved-Model-M. Then got an Avant Stellar improved-Northgate for $250-ish which was *amazing*. But these days KeyChron mechanical keyboards are under $100, and come in less oppressive sizes, and a range of keyswitches (I like these Gateron Reds, but YMMV).

Keyboard tech almost died out in the '00s but it's good now.

Show threadCharlie StrossMar 9
@mdhughes @lispi314 @jyrgenn Yeah, I use a Keychron K5 red (full size layout but low profile with red gateron keyswitches)
Show threadDavid MankinsMar 9

@cstross @lispi314 @jyrgenn @mdhughes

I’ve never seen the attraction of those buckling spring keyboards (though I have some for work and home). For me, the ideal keyboard was the IBM Selectric, though the Decwriter keyboard was pretty good, too.

Show threadKirtai 🏳️‍⚧️Mar 9
@lispi314 @mdhughes @jyrgenn @cstross
I keep meaning to buy the modern version of one of these. If I could get a ten-keyless model I'd be in heaven.
Show threadCharlie StrossMar 9
@kirtai @lispi314 @mdhughes @jyrgenn Then you probably want the Keychron K3. (They make a *bewildering* range of keyboards.)
Show threadKirtai 🏳️‍⚧️Mar 9
@cstross @lispi314 @mdhughes @jyrgenn
Ooh thanks, I'll check that out 
Show threadAMSMar 9
@lispi314 @mdhughes @jyrgenn @cstross Model M is the only thing I've managed to not get RSI from. Mostly because I bottom out other keyboards. The buckling springs click with enough margin to pull back before you hit bottom.
Show threadLisPiMar 9
@AMS @mdhughes @jyrgenn @cstross The base design has some assumptions about the user's wrists & shoulder width that don't hold all the time.

It's mostly what I was thinking about (and why I like split keyboards so much).

True-enough that tactile feedback issues can also make things worse.
Show threadJyrgen NMar 9

@cstross @mdhughes The space cadet isn’t even very good for using Emacs, with both Control and Meta close to each other on the bottom row. Imagine typing Control-Meta-S with that!

I learned using Emacs on LK201 and Sun Type 3/4 keyboards, which both worked well except for the missing Meta on the LK201. Never got into the habit of using Super or Hyper. Today I map Control to the Caps Lock key just to the left of A, where it makes sense, and let Emacs use the ⌘ key as Meta. Works fine.