Robert
ViolinknitterKids put up with a LOT from adults
TerryB
Irenes (many)@Violinknitter huh. plausible explanation.
2something@Violinknitter This is also part of the appeal of A Series of Unfortunate Events. And, to some extend, Matilda.
Jessie@2something @Violinknitter As an adult, and a parent, I tried to read A Series of Unfortunate Events but I had to stop because I could not handle how much the adults in the series consistently and spectacularly let those kids down. Only one adult was different and well, spoilers.
@JessieImproved @Violinknitter Part of the theme of the book is that you shouldn't idolize people, because everyone has faults, including the adults you want to think are perfect.
Ambulocetus@Violinknitter That was one of my mom's favorite books, and when thinking about her relationship with my grandma, that makes a lot of sense.
Randall@Violinknitter huh, I always thought it was the abstract mathematics that made it great.
Brahms@rbmath @Violinknitter ok, now I really need to read/watch it ... um, which one are we talking about, exactly?
@brahms @rbmath If you’re interested in all the math & Victorian jokes, The Annotated Alice is wonderful
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-annotated-alice-lewis-carroll/1122986703
@brahms You can also of course find the original Alice in Wonderland text available online for free at sites like Gutenberg & Librivox
@brahms @Violinknitter I don't remember all of them, but here is a quick write up I found: https://maths-from-the-past.org/alice-and-algebra/
There's a lot more out there on it. If you're looking for the math content, I'd read the original or the book that violinknitter linked, Martin Gardner is amazing.
Alice and Algebra - Maths from the Past
AuthorJulie Hatfield Updated By Siobhan Williams Bibliography Bayley, M. (2016) Alice’s Adventures in Algebra: Wonderland solved, New Scientist. New Scientist. Available at: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427391-600-alices-adventures-in-algebra-wonderland-solved/ [Accessed: March 8, 2023]. Carroll, L. and Tenniel, J. (2010) Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, 1865; and through the looking-glass and what Alice Found There, 1871. Vancouver, BC: Engage Books. Lyden, J. (2010)
TormodFrankly, Alice in Wonderland also describes so much of my experiences from a career in IT and Business consulting.
The White Rabbit is your sponsor, impossible to get hold of. The Doorknob works in Access Management, Tweedledee and Dum run Security and Compliance. The hostility from the Flower Chorus when they learn I am not ”one of them” can be a little hurtful.
Now, the Caterpillar is important, he’s got some solid intel, you just need to approach him carefully and with respect.
Of course, every damn day is somebody’s un-birthday, so stay clear of the tea party - that’s one crazy thing you can’t ever control or improve. Just the cost of doing business, I guess.
The best days on the engagement is when you meet someone who understands you and is willing to help. Find your Chesire Cat early, and you have a chance at success.
It’s a brilliant book.
Tzimisce Flesh@airwhale @Violinknitter @janeishly It's really just the common pattern of dealing with people who are above you in some way. The Adults especially, but a lot of the same arbitrary cruelty is just how people in power are, by either their own malice or the nature of their position.
Lunar 🛸 ♾@airwhale @Violinknitter @janeishly Caterpillar is the sysadmin who's been there from when the business was founded. Too old to move on, too young to retire, just the right age to be fed up of this crap
@lunarloony Headcanon accepted
Hugo Mills@Violinknitter This explains why the book didn't do a lot for me the first time I read it -- as an adult. Thank you.
Remember Remember 7th November@Violinknitter On the other hand you can also look at it from the adult's point of view. Alice can't understand why the walrus cares about the boiling hot sea. The walrus can't figure out why he has to boil the sea; this seems like bullshit (and probably not even just harmless bullshit) but he has to do it anyway because that's the job and now some smart-ass kid is asking him the same question and that's just REALLY annoying, like, I know, kid, just deal with it; I have to too you know.
Erosdiscordia
Cassian [main]
@cassolotl Thanks! Didn’t expect this to get more than 10 views 😅
@Violinknitter You never know what's going to click with people, innit!
DeeAnn Little@Violinknitter are you comfortably settled in that seat and enjoying your cup of tea and conversations? Change places. Are you having a leisurely relaxed day? The lateness of someone else just became your problem.
eestileib (she/hers)Calvin and Hobbes also captures childhood
Hugs4friends ♾🇺🇦 🇵🇸😷@Violinknitter That is the whole magic of Alice.
Paul_IPv6kids wind up wading through a lot of adult baggage because the adults haven't done that work themselves...
snowyfox
Cloudmom Colette@Violinknitter also autistic
Deka Black@Violinknitter Never thught about the books that way, being honest.but now i 1000% agree.
60sRefugee@Violinknitter Perhaps also the Harry Potter stories, which like all great children's books are about having to deal with the arcane rules imposed by adults who themselves do not have it all together anywhere near what they'd like you to believe.
Miakoda 
@Violinknitter Bingo!
Courier drone - 5276 ☿@Violinknitter @izzy In our 30's and it still feels like that
NineTiger
Lian@Violinknitter I finally feel like I understand Alice in Wonderland better, and I relate! 
🐕 Paul 🦄@Violinknitter Fuck yes! I remember being dragged around by my parents as a kid.
I’m reminded of the tendency for literary analysis and criticism to look for hidden meanings and to judge stories that lack such tea-leaf messages as low quality “genre” fiction.
I mean “Hills Like White Elephants” is supposedly about abortion, but I found it utterly pointless, and I’ll never get back the time I wasted reading it.
druid@Violinknitter This is a wonderful post
@druid I didn’t expect this to get so many views, but roach-works Tumblr post really seems to be resonating with a lot of people over here on Mastodon!