Rose

We can just do the adult check thing the usual way.

https://slrpnk.net/post/35037163

Mar 8 at 12:56pmWeb
Show threadraiconMar 8

Age verification is just paving way for things a lot worse: globally unique identification.

They ( politicians ) will weaponize the inefficiencies in this implementation to push for an online verification later on.

And of course Peter Thiel will be somewhere in the middle

Show threadlime!Mar 8
we already have that, it’s called ipv6
Show threadraiconMar 8
Nice ragebait
Show threadwabassoMar 8
I am actually curious about this. How does privacy get preserved with ipv6?
Show threadraiconMar 8
Ipv6 identifies an exit node, not individuals. Same as ipv4. The ipv6 doesn’t bind to an individual. Your address is different in different places. There can be many individuals per address. You can use vpns as well.
Show threadYardy SardleyMar 8
And the address space is big enough you can choose a new random address between every connection to avoid tracking.
Show threadwabassoMar 10
Thanks!
Show threadark3Mar 8
networkingtoolbox.net/…/ipv6-privacy-addresses
IPv6 Privacy Addresses | Networking Toolbox

SLAAC privacy extensions: temporary vs stable interface identifiers

Networking Toolbox
Show threadwabassoMar 10
Thanks!
Show threadenbiousenvyMar 8
in the middle of the crosshair
Show threaddb2Mar 8
Your dissent has been noted for later enforcement action, Citizen 1d887190-bfe4-4a22-ae6d-4b519a9c5483.
Show threaddefinitely_AIMar 8
This makes me nauseous because of the reality.
Show threaddb2Mar 8
Yeah, it felt a little ominous posting it the way things are going.
Show threaddefinitely_AIMar 8
I’d rather be depressed and know what is coming than stick my head in the sand and blame immigrants/trans/Iran/whatever.
Show threadAtroposMar 8
Better than the SSN system…
Show threadiamdefinitelyoverthirteenMar 8
Lol that’s a valid UID too.
Show threadjdrMar 8
My age is a literal comma
Show threadfar_university1990Mar 8
Your real name bobby?
Show threadobservantTrapeziumMar 8
Akahually at my work we used a third party authentication PAM module that uses the gecos field for username mapping.
Show threadbacon_pdpMar 8
Looks like your company shall be sacrificed for standards compliance reasons.
Show threaddefinitely_AIMar 8
The funny thing is, mergers basically aim to create monopolies, where on a long enough timeline a few handful of people have control over the whole financial system and the capacity for production. Kind of like under communism, except instead of elected leaders it’s held by private citizens. Kind of like communism.
Show threadDaddleDewMar 8

The problem with that whole situation is the way the law is written the developer is the one held responsible if a child circumvents the check to access adult content. Therefore, developers will have to pay hefty fines unless they:

-1: Have a way to positively make sure the person enters their age is telling the truth; and

-2: Lock this value from being changed by the user afterwards.

One can see how incredibly problematic this is for both privacy and true ownership and control over your own machine. There is also a lot that needs to be figured out in the law such as what will happen when someone inevitably finds a way to hack the system to circumvent it. Ultimately, big tech won’t care as much about the fines because of their deep pockets but small nonprofit open source projects will be killed.

Show threadKrafty KactusMar 8
Making the vendor culpable for a user bypassing a software lock is absurd but then again so is this entire bill.
Show threadfoodandartMar 8

This law is specifically designed to kill nonprofit-run and private software like Linux.

I do not know if that is true. Most of the political hacks writing these bills have zero understanding of computers and do not even consider Linux in the equation. They see Windows, iOS, Android and macOS.

This is more aimed at mom and dad with three children who have tablets for all the shits and take no responsibility for what the kids do with the devices.

Linux devs will just step back from releasing code packaged with installers and users will have to compile and set any given program up themselves.

I use MacPorts and Homebrew for what I need.

Show threadDaddleDewMar 8
You are correct that they have zero understanding of computers. But what you are missing is that they are consulting “experts” who are essentially just big tech lobbyists.
Show threadboboMar 8
And when you say consulting, you mean that they’ve been legally bribed with a few mils.
Show threadborariMar 10
More like a few tens of thousands.
Show threadboboMar 10
Check that again, last year meta literally broke the record for the amount spent on legal bribery in a year.
Show threadborariMar 10
Ahk, gotcha. I was referring to the fact that it only takes a few thousand to legally bribe a state representative.
Show threadboboMar 8

Most of the political hacks writing these bills have zero understanding of computers and do not even consider Linux in the equation.

Meta literally broke the record for the most legal bribery in a year over shifting the liability from platform to app store (as they’re facing tens of billions in fines). Apple and Google have been pumping tens of millions to counter it.

The political hacks are just reading what the corpos wrote for them…

Show threadSlurpingPusMar 9
These laws were apparently lobbied by Google, Meta and Palantir (according to Reddit).
Show threadMrKoyunMar 9

I’ve started to believe that in fact, the political hacks do know what is going on with tech. They just do this shit anyway… Because they are sick at heart.

I feel like it is too late. People still do not care and will never care… We’ve lost.

Show threadYardy SardleyMar 8
All of this seems impossible to enforce in the FOSS ecosystem. People can just fork the software and remove any restriction they don’t like. That’s kind of the whole point of free software. Users are free to use their devices however they like, including in ways that are not intended by the devloper.
Show threadBilb!Mar 8
You’re right. Computing devices need to be locked down in such a way that prevents consumers running software that isn’t signed by an approved/licensed software vendor owned and/or favored by an oligarch and existing general purpose computers need to be made illegal. We don’t need “hobbyist programmers” anymore, humans have no place writing code.
Show threadSlurpingPusMar 9
As usual, Cory Doctorow foresaw this fifteen years ago (transcript here).
28c3: The coming war on general computation

YouTube
Show threadZephorahMar 8
It’s not about age. It’s about uniquely identifying everyone who uses a computer.
Show threaddefinitely_AIMar 8

But think of all the pedophiles it will stop! Surely you don’t want pedophiles to get away with their crimes*? What are you, a pedophile?

  • T&C apply, if you are a +1B shareholder, please disregard
Show threadlemonazMar 9

+1B shareholder

Yep, because we all know the last people who would be pedophiles are billionaires.

(/s obviously)

Show threadKilgore TroutMar 9
To add to the irony, only a smaller part of the ones convicted for abusing children is a pedophile. It is more about power and control, than about sexual attraction.
Show threadRealBotMar 9
How is it uniquely identifying users if all that OS shares with programs is the age group? (that btw user chooses, can lie without problem)
Show threadCethinMar 9

That’s all it shares for now (for the California law). Once that’s in, what’s one more step, where the user has to provide proof of age, rather than just presenting one? That requires identification.

If their goal is identification, rather than actually protecting pedophiles (we know this isn’t the case because the Epstein clients are not facing consequences), then it’s easy to see how this leads to that.

The slippery slope is not always fallacious. If it’s a reasonable case, it’s just called a slippery slope argument.

Show threadZephorahMar 9
The only real way to prove age is with legit ID.
Show threadKatana314Mar 9

Fingerprinting. Age, as well as factors like IP address, can be one more data point to individually identify a user with a certain number of accounts.

There’s also potential they changeover from “Enter your DOB” to “Show your driver’s license”, which they can collect much more data from.

Show threadbestboyfriendintheworldMar 8
export AGE=OLDENOUGH
Show threadbrokenwingMar 8

I recently read an article from the creaters of PopOS. In that they raise a vaild point. If a child installs a virtualization software (say with the concent of an adult for educational purposes), then they can but browse internet through the VM, with them being the root user, pretending to be adults. It defeats the whole purpose of such verification methods. So their plan would to stick with ID based ones.

I think this was never about age verification, but to uniquely fingerprint every person using internet and to keep accountability.

Lets face it, the internet you knew is dead.

Show threadfar_university1990Mar 8

Lets face it, the internet you knew is dead.

Friendship ended with IP. Now I2P is friend.

Show threadLydia_KMar 8
Check out reticulum as well.
Show threadDreamButtMar 8

I’ll just do what I’m always done since I was 10

“How old are you?”

“115 years young of course”

Show threadBlindFrogMar 8
1/1/1900, just celebrated my 126th
Show threadthethunderwolfMar 9
I was born on 1/1/1970 trust me bro
Show threadCosmicTurtle0 [he/him]Mar 8

These laws are not written by the technically literate. They are written by attorneys based on the whims of old legislators who think that Siri is a real woman that they are talking to.

While the people who write the laws are competent, the legislators are not.

At the state level, it’s even worse because they are often given legislation carefully written by lobbyists and special interest groups.

If you have any inkling to run for office, please consider doing so because we need smarter people in every branch of government.

Show threadFizzMar 9
Can you install a VM without root? I assume the kids account isnt being out into a group with virtualization by default.
Show threadLiveLMMar 9
I’m speaking out of my ass, but I assume you can. It might be slow as balls as you might not have access to the special hardware bits that make virtualization faster, but I assume it works.
Show threadSlurpingPusMar 9
Also, unless the verification thing provided by the OS is signed by TPM, it can probably just be emulated in userspace software.
Show threadNιƙƙιDιɱҽʂMar 9

I guess, but also there are a ton more accurate fingerprinting methods other than dividing everyone up into buckets of <13, 13-15, 16-18, 18+. The vast majority of us are going to be 18+, so it’s a pretty weak signal.

Don’t get me wrong, the whole bill is absolutely riddled with issues and it’s extremely stupid, but this hardly provides significant data.

I think your monitor configuration (number of monitors and resolutions), video card, and installed fonts are going to go a LOT further than a bucket of 4 choices lol

Show threadTealkMar 8
I utilize the GECOS field within my Ansible scripts to facilitate the identification of these entities as being managed by Ansible.
Show threadsonofearthMar 8
If I have to age verify to my OS, then I will just want the human race to nuke the entire planet out of existence. It’s better to be dead than succumbing to pedophile lawmakers.
Show threadMrKoyunMar 9

Yes! Go get it. Exactly what needs to happen.

Hoping for the day one of the elites pushes a button, launches a nuclear, WW3 entails, and we all fucking perish. Its clear the world’s gonna end, might as well save all the trouble and end it now!!!

Show threadBilleghMar 8
The best part is that this can be POSIX compliant too!
Show threadneclimdulMar 9

Pass.

Its my computer, I own it, gtfo and let me use it how ever I want.