Dorothy BishopMar 7
An interesting development in CNRS - changing from metrics to review researchers
https://www.cnrs.fr/en/update/cnrs-breaking-free-web-science
The CNRS is breaking free from the Web of Science

From January 1st 2026, the CNRS will cut access to one of the largest commercial bibliometric databases, Clarivate Analytics'

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Dorothy BishopMar 8
Show threadDavid Monniaux

@deevybee It is an interesting process. A few years ago CNRS had officially signed DORA but its application forms for promotion asked for statistics like numbers of papers published in the last 5 years and so on.

And even if people don't count, they still argue about A+ vs A vs B vs C rankings, including in HCÉRES evaluation processes (this is reinforced by the requirement to appear "objective").

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Show threadAna ViñuelaMar 7
@MonniauxD @deevybee Pretty much all UK academic and research institutions in the UK have signed DORA, and all of them demand numbers of publications and evaluate based on journal rankings... DORA is just performance, I'm afraid.
Show threadBjörn BrembsMar 8

@AnaVinuela @MonniauxD @deevybee

Same in Germany - even after signing DORA and co-founding CoARA:

https://bjoern.brembs.net/2024/11/research-assessment-new-panels-new-luck/

As long as these journals exist, this travesty will continue. That's why we propose this:

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rsos/article/10/7/230206/92011/Replacing-academic-journalsReplacing-academic

Show threadJeroen BosmanMar 8
@MonniauxD @deevybee maybe there's 4 levels: (1) fully using/demanding #impactfactors IFs, (2) token @DORAssessment signing, (3) not using IFs officially (4), fully changed the assessment culture/thinking in the institutional community. Some UK institutions are at level 3 at least. E.g. Imperial College: https://sfdora.org/institutions/imperial-college-london/
Imperial College London | DORA

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