Track_ShovelHands off?
Lucky_777Most MAGA men are cowards. But a dozen guns, make threats, but when push comes to shove…they stay in their chair and flip on right wing media. They are nothing.
They are all weak men putting on a show of what they think a strong man is.
FenrirIIIJust following Dear Leader.
They would chuckle if Trump admitted to having sex with teenagers and nod along if he said that everybody wants to do it.
DandomRudeThe reason seems to me to be rather that these people are deliberately and very demonstratively protecting their own underage daughter because they are only too aware of what their party colleagues have in mind for her.
Because to them it’s only an issue if it affects them personally. If it’s someone else’s kids, they don’t care.
Most conservative double-think like this boils down to a lack of empathy.
To expand on “it’s only an issue when it happens to them”, having been raised in a very conservative environment I was told that bad things happened to bad people, and that if something happened to a “good” person, there was probably something we just didn’t know about. That thinking offers a false sense of security because as long as you’re not a bad person, bad things can’t happen to you.
It usually takes something bad actually happening to you to break the illusion and get someone to actually start questioning their world, which is hard work. Life is so much easier to live with your head in the sand.
I’d also argue that it isn’t really about the daughters for some of these men. They rather fantasize about being in a situation where it is socially acceptable to use violence, because they want to use violence. They want to be the hero, which requires a crisis.
They might still not be in favor of pedophiles running around freely, all things considered, but they’re certainly not going to be as strongly opposed to it as their violent fantasies might make you believe.
ValmondNo one let’s their friends use PDF’s.
Use an old word format if you have to share, but never a PDF.
Why exactly?
marighostFuck your feelings daughters
When a pdffile comes along, select it and press shift + del.
These MAGA dudes would also rape someone else’s daughter so it’s relatable to them
MAGATS uphold rape culture but this dude is a hero and I for one would vote for him to be president and drain the swamp in 2028.
vaultdweller013You aren’t imprisoning pedos your increasing the kill count of Caesar Augustus.
I don’t see a problem here.
horseNot to defend pedos, but prison violence is not a good thing, even if in some cases it ends
up affecting the “right” people.
Not really. The sentences are weak for the crimes.
You can rape and kill a child and only get 20 years. And serve half and get out.
What would be a just sentence though? If we’re going for “an eye for an eye”, you’ll quickly find that you run out of punishments for the most heinous crimes. And even if you can keep coming up with ways to punish people, it stops seeming like a good idea real fast when you accidentally end up punishing the wrong person.
It’s easy to say “this person deserves more” when you’re talking about an individual case, but when you’re trying to build a system that balances punishment, justice, rehabilitation, deterrence and protecting the public you’re never going to come up with a perfect solution that feels fair all of the time. But the alternative is making arbitrary decisions on a case by case basis, influenced by bias and personal feelings.
That’s not so say the justice system, especially in the US, doesn’t have big problems. But I don’t think the solution is to double down on harsher punishment.
Most sex offenders reoffend. So they either need locked up forever or be required to take drugs to reduce libido or something.
The U.S doesn’t invest in rehabilitation of criminals.
And our culture promotes sex crimes.
So at present. We have limited options to protect children and others who are targeted.
𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠Most sex offenders reoffend. So they either need locked up forever or be required to take drugs to reduce libido or something.
I was interested and looked it up, but turns out this doesn’t really ring true. In fact, only a minority of sex offenders actually reoffend, and when they do it’s most likely for a different, nonsexual crime rather than a sexual one.
There’s a lot of interesting summarizing being done here: …ojp.gov/…/chapter-5-adult-sex-offender-recidivis…
It’s hard to get exact numbers though, as sex crimes remain underreported. It does seem however that psychological treatment for these offenders actually helps reduce recidivism rates.
It gets different when you get to repeat offenders; they are much more likely to keep offending after release.
Well it’s not majority but it’s high and it is related to the age of the offender. With those at younger ages re offending at almost 40 percent.
That’s an insanely high risk to the public.
-The highest rates of sexual recidivism were observed for individuals under 34 years at release from incarceration, for whom recidivism steadily increased over time before peaking at 42% at 25 years. The mean age at reoffense was 42.51. Age was significantly associated with sexual recidivism at 5 years, but not at subsequent follow-up periods. These findings suggest that long-term patterns of sexual recidivism may be related to age at release.
I will say that numbers on this topic do vary grately in research papers depending on how long they follow up and who the sample was. This paper I reference followed people for 25 years.
(Your link doesn’t work for me, not sure where it’s supposed to go? I get a proxy verification page but nothing else).
My initial link addresses the age bit as well, it’s mostly lower for higher ages because those people have less long to live. When corrected for that, higher age = higher risk to reoffend.
One issue with the current 25y studies is that a lot changes regarding correctional facilities in 25 years. Most of those studies are a fair bit older; modern studies find lower rates, likely due to improved prisons and therapies.
Regardless, it seems wrong to start imprisoning or chemically castrating people on the chance that they might reoffend, especially now that modern studies confirm that the recidivism rates aren’t that high. I mean, for other types of crimes the recidivism rates are considerably higher, yet we don’t take severe preventative measures there either. We also know that shorter sentences lower recidivism rates and that therapy is much more effective than prison as an empirical fact. And then there’s the somewhat horrifying implications for the minority of falsely convicted folks. So I’m not so sure if extreme punishments for these people is a wise idea.
I don’t know what’s going on with that link. Even when I try to go there via my browser history I get the same thing you get now. Good thing I copy pasted part of it.
Well. I’m going to disagree with you about going easy on sex offenders. Especially those of rape and child abuse.
They absolutely do deserve chemical castration. If they raped or hurt a child, they honestly deserve death from my perspective. Sex crimes are not excusable. They are not forgivable. These are crimes of people who seek out vulnerable people to hurt them. That’s not a behavior that they just stop doing.
And I believe they often just get better at hiding their behaviors.
I don’t think it’s more important we err on the side of allowing them to commit more crimes and create more victims rather than the poor sex predators having their freedoms restricted.
They are lucky that chemical castration is an option as alternative ways to make sure they don’t hurt children again are more permanent.
With all the Epstein information coming out, I find it crazy that anyone thinks people who hurt children or rape someone deserve a second chance to do it again. That deserve any leniancy. They don’t.
I understand the strong emotions here, but it’s generally a very bad idea to go for physical punishments like chemical castration or a death sentence. Innocent people will get hurt by that, and that’s imo an unacceptable injustice. Denying people’s rights for whatever reason will be misused or abused.
I acknowledge that wrongful convictions happen. But considering how difficult it is to prove sex crimes in the first place, I don’t think this particular type of crime is as risky as some of the others.
That said.
For there to be such extreme punishment, the standards for guilt should be very strongly supported. Videos. Photographs. Medical records.
And there would, of course, have to be some objective guidelines on how that is determined so that it’s not applied with bias towards some groups.
Maybe the people who came up with the whole idea of jails overestimated how awful we would consider having to live in a cell about 20 hours a day for 20 years.
Horse is a really big advocate for pedofiles. We live in a rape culture from the top down and the people who defend that like horse are a BIG part of the problem.
My point exactly because this dude doesn’t belong in prison. He’s not a danger to society
These same men also have a fantasy of picking up their gun and help their fellow American in a hostage or terrorist situation, but during covid, when they had an opportunity to help their fellow Americans by putting a fucking piece of cloth on their face, they refused.
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MousePotatoDoesStuffI don’t think this is the general consensus at all. The whole Epstein thing really ripped the MAGA tribe in half. There’s a lot of people over there that are upset about it.
I’d say it can range from your 40/60 to 60/40 depending on the area. Where I live and with the people I know, there are a lot of libertarian leaning people (they say they’re conservative but they just aren’t) and they reeeeaaaallllllyyyyy don’t like Trump now. Then there’s the people that are “Red or Dead”. Those are the ones that match the online descriptions
Cause it wasn’t “their” daughters. Remember, those same guys would fuck any other man’s daughter and expect it to be okay. They lack the mental skills to understand another person’s perspective.
JackbyDevTangentially related, it bothers me people say things like “I have a daughter so I get why it’s upsetting” or whatever. It implies they wouldn’t be able to empathize if they didn’t have one. I know that’s not necessarily always the intention, but it just rubs me the wrong way.
I was more going for the split personalities concept. The same person can say they will kill you if you touch their daughter, but then sit down with their buddies and a beer and relive how heroic they were that one time with mary joe when they got caught and her father peppered the tailgate of his truck as he sped away. Pretty sure there are popular songs about the later.
So it’s okay if they do it, but not if someone does it to them and theirs.
Conservatives tend to score lower on empathy and have a more in-group/out-group mentality. So it is common for people to not think about different perspectives until they are personally affected. My favorite example of this is some article I read where a researcher ran small group surveys and asked people’s thoughts on trans people, and some of the responses were super specific like “trans people wear a lot of green,” or “trans people like bread.” And it was due to Jan from accounting or whatever being the only trans person they knew. So a single encounter shifts their whole perception and biases. There are a lot of people who grow up surrounded by people like them and have never had the need to see things from someone else’s perspective who is different from them.
HanrahanHi, hungry here. I think you’re underestimating the overlap on that Venn diagram.
TheEmpireStrikesDakFrom his handle, I’m going to tentatively suggest this is satire? Please can this be satire?
Otherwise his kids need new parents.