𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"Mar 7
A.I. musicians are COOKED. I just recorded an ENTIRE SONG using nothing but my instruments and a few microphones. This would have cost upwards of hundreds of dollars in expensive A.I. subscription fees but for me it was completely FREE. Don't get left behind. This is the future!
Show threadNicks WorldMar 7
@Sarahw @Lana A whole band full of musicians can cost like $10000 minimum.
Show thread𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"Mar 7

@NicksWorld @Sarahw

A whole data farm can cost like a billion dollars minimum. We can do this all day!

Show threadNicks WorldMar 7
@Lana @Sarahw If it were me, I'd rather pay $10 a month for a computer with no egos than $10000 for people who have nothing but big egos and coordination that is more difficult when having to deal with humans.
Show threadTitia SchuurmanMar 7
@NicksWorld @Lana @Sarahw but how much will you end up paying for your electricity though?
Show threadNicks WorldMar 7
@titia @Lana @Sarahw I'd be paying high for my electricity regardless.
Show threadTitia SchuurmanMar 7
@NicksWorld @Lana @Sarahw you have no idea. Wait until your grid is full of data centers hogging it up. Meta, Google etc. have expansion plans that would, each of them alone, use more than the total amount of electricity currently available. And this when it is more urgent than ever to cut emissions. 🀦
Show threadNicks WorldMar 7
@titia @Lana @Sarahw All I know is in my area, I have plenty of electricity and there's no data centers where I live and won't be because we voted against it.
Show threadgturriMar 7
@NicksWorld @titia @Lana @Sarahw you voted against having datacentrers near you but you re ok with using AI (and hence imposing datacenters in other areas)?
(Just making sure I understood properly)
Show threadNicks World
@gturri @titia @Lana @Sarahw I'm okay using AI because it works for my specific purposes also, I specifically didn't vote for it because I didn't even have the right to vote until last year anyway, I just heard that they won't be a thing. Regardless, I do use AI.
Mar 7 at 9:29amWeb
Show threadTitia SchuurmanMar 7
@NicksWorld @gturri @Lana @Sarahw OK, I don't know what specific work you're using it for. Still, you might want to reconsider knowing that making even a single AI picture uses as much energy as charging your phone battery from empty to full. It may not seem much but then think of ten pictures per day, multiplied by, say, 100 million users. A short video, much more again. Then there's all the water they use, too. Not to mention all the creators whose work has been pirated to train those robots.
Show threadNicks WorldMar 7
@titia @gturri @Lana @Sarahw Oh, I don't generate pictures and or videos with AI. It's just not me. I use it to describe pictures that were taken by other folks, completely different use case.
Show threadTitia SchuurmanMar 7
@NicksWorld @gturri @Lana @Sarahw ah, like for Alt-texts, you mean? OK, that's not the worst possible use. Still, I'm sure you could do it yourself just as easily. And I've seen AI-generated Alt-texts that are just wrong and dumb and useless, where a human would have known immediately what the picture was about.
Show threadNicks WorldMar 7
@titia @gturri @Lana @Sarahw How could I? I can't see pictures, so describing pictures I have never seen is simply impossible, unless an invention is able to be made for me to 100% understand how color combinations work which has never happened and will never happen for as long as I shall live.
Show threadTitia SchuurmanMar 7
@NicksWorld @gturri @Lana @Sarahw Oh yes, stupid me, stupid stupid stupid. Apologies. This explanation occurred to me just now, as I was doing something else, and I rushed back here but too late to correct myself. I sometimes have "long cables" as the Finnish saying goes, i.e. I'm slow on the uptake. Dumb dumb me. This will teach me to think a bit longer before commenting, hopefully. Thank you for responding so patiently!
Show threadNicks WorldMar 7
@titia @gturri @Lana @Sarahw Oh, You're welcome. I appreciate you being civil with this. Frankly, when I talk on the fediverse these days, I half expect to be attacked by someone when discussing certain topics, so its good to see that this isn't the case in this particular instance.
Show threadTitia SchuurmanMar 7

@NicksWorld @gturri @Lana @Sarahw I always try to be civil, though I sometimes fail.

I'll add that yours is definitely one of the absolutely legitimate uses of AI, of course, with real benefits for people. I wish there was less of the slop and rubbish and fakery and more of this.

Show threadSarah WMar 7
@titia @NicksWorld @gturri @Lana
I agree. There are legitimate uses for AI, such as yours, and it can be extremely useful.
Unfortunately most uses are not.
Show threadSarah WMar 7
@NicksWorld @titia @gturri @Lana
I think this one of the few places where one can have a civil discussion and still disagree. Whats more, be prepared to back down when in the wrong.
Show threadwroofMar 8
@titia @NicksWorld @gturri @Lana @Sarahw With DrawThings.app I can make many pictures on my phone before the battery runs out. With open source AI algorithms. Without internet.
Show threadNicks WorldMar 8
@wroof @titia @gturri @Lana @Sarahw I don't make pictures with AI.